The High Elf Love Thread 🥰

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@Itoldyouso-illidan

In what way am I hiding the core of the argument and not directly speaking towards yours? Do you just toss out terms and hope it applies?
This is literally just arguing about the argument all over again.

You literally said I was not refuting any arguments when that was what I was doing.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

Do you know what a discussion is?
I have a view point.
you have a viewpoint.
We discuss them and defend them to determine which is correct or better supported.
Claiming I am biased for defending my stance and attacking yours, means you are biased as well. So, based on this idea, no one can argue anything because they are biased.
That is rather disingenuous of you to argue.

My point is that your arguments are bad. You could be making better arguments instead of trying to counter every opposing argument and failing. You think that by being headstrong and conceding no points makes your case strong; it just means no matter the logic of another person’s arguments you are not gonna change your mind

Winner takes nothing, BTW.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

So your argument is that the high elves, who have no culture of their own, should be playable.

See this is why your arguments are bad and in bad faith, because I have to walk you through every. single. nuance for you not to fall into a GOTCHA! argument.

Do I have to explicitly state that assimilation isn’t a binary state, instead a spectrum? How much have HE’s assimilated? How much they hold on of their former culture? Does creating a HE majority faction like the SC means they are trying to hold on to a cultural identity that nonetheless is different than the one they come from?

This is all the nuance you keep dismissing, and it’s effing tiring.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

Simple.
That is what the game has been designed around since its inception. It is an integral part of its identity, and the crux of what defines WoW in an MMO market saturated with factions lacking in identity, or lacking factions at all.
RIFT was an MMO which hinged itself on its faction system, and the removal of the faction barrier resulted in its death shortly after. The nail in its proverbial coffin.
Mind you, this was with both sides having elves whose only difference was that one was drow like in appearance and the other was wood elf in appearance.

You know, I really don’t know much about Rift, but I have to ask. Is that the consensus? That the removal of the faction system is what killed the game? Do we have more people that played Rift or are aware?

Cause let me be honest; we really can’t make a 1:1 comparison when we are talking about different games, how can you know it would affect WoW on the same way?

Moreover, WoW more often than not has been defined by the fight against world ending threats so the whole “this is wow’s identity” feels hollow, specially on an expansion that squandered that potential.

Still, even lessening the restrictions does not mean getting rid of the factions, specially when the factions themselves are political entities. Why are they locked to race? Factions themselves can remain, just organized differently.