The gearing disparity between raiding and M+ is really bad

Give everyone a currency to buy a “token” that can be traded in for a piece of gear.

Hard cap a week so everyone is on an even playing field.

X amount for champ
Y amount for hero
Z amount for mythic

2 tokens allowed a week so you cant gear out and nope out after a single week

Edit: make this for everyone in every content.

I feel like this would be better as a BLP system that opens in the back half of the season. I think fully deterministic gearing in pve is kinda bleh. But it’s a solid framework.

I agree, im not a fan of the idea. But it does feel smoother and makes the whole “didnt get what i wanted in the vault” feeling disappear.

It was nice making an alt in Wrath and spamming Heroic Dungeons to get a full set of pre-raid gear.

I knew how many i needed to run to get what pieces and i could put off a day or two and still reach my goals

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Yeah, I miss badge gear. Maybe there’s a compromise in there somewhere.

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I think we need a good mix from both to get the best gear though. The tokens for tier helps in raids, also the rings and trinkets from raid are generally bis.

You can just buy your BIS weapon and trinket from the raid with the 2 dinars we’ll be getting. My bis weapon is Best-In-Slots, which I and 99% of players have no shot of getting the Myth track version of anyways if dinars didn’t exist because it’s a Very Rare drop from the 6th raid boss

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lol what?

You have zero clue what you are talking about.

Idk about this season, but last season pugging a +10 DB, Mists, or Arakara was absolutely easier than pugging Heroic Ansurek lol

Yes, that is why we should remove gear dropping from raid n make raiding purely for ego purpose and maybe cosmetics. Raiding is such an obsolete system it should have been removed long ago.
Make all gear from from M+ and delves.

I say remove ilevel from everything and see how much people do things then.

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Id be all for that. Let skill determine where you fall, but a lot of personal self worth for folks is tied up in an arbitrary number on their gear.

And on a smaller side note, player power is a core aspect of RPGs…so we cant really take that away lol

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Trinkets I agree even though there’s always a Sacrabrood type from M+ it seems that everyone wants.

For Weapons it’s not that egregious since with the ease of getting Gilded Crests everyone can get 675 Weapons crafted which are usually sim pretty close to a Mythic Raid Weapon.

Then you have outliers like this spec (WW) who’s BIS weapon comes from M+ and thus the Vault.

This isn’t true. I’ve gotten the majority of my gear from raid drops. I was getting literally 0 gear from the 10s of M+ I was running every week. Unless you are lucky and you need stats no one else needs, everyone else is farming the same haste/mast stuff as you.

A M+ run takes 20-40 minutes on top of finding a group. So you’re looking at a good hour to get 2-3 pieces among 5 ppl, with the hope that 1 piece will be your bis, and that it drops for you, or no one needs it early season (highly unlikely).

Meanwhile most raid bosses drop at least one piece + token which can save you a catalyst charge. If you’re in a guild you can reduce competition by playing a niche armor type/stat or by just being good.

Running 10 10+s will take you hours and hours of work, full clearing heroic will take you maybe 2 hours tops right now.

It’s not even close.

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Because delves are much more popular contents than M+ or raids.

Yeah at the end of the season because you over gear both.

No they aren’t. If they were blizzard wouldn’t have had to nerf their difficulty onto the ground and drastically buff the rewards.

Have you tried making friends or joining a guild?

Ion has done nothing but crap all over raiding since the day he took over.

Meanwhile I’m sitting here at 663 lvl, 3/8 Mythic bosses defeated and working on the 4th, and my gear consists of:
3 items from raid (Heroic ring + Heroic tier piece + Heroic wrists) - and the wrists get replaced with crafted next week
2 items from delves (neck + trinket)
6 items from M+ (Mythic tier chest, Mythic tier legs, Mythic tier shoulders, Mythic cloak, Mythic boots, Heroic trinket)
3 crafted (weapon, belt, gloves) for which the crests largely came from m+

M+ is vastly superior in terms of gearing than raid. It’s just undeniable.

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Then you are delusional.

Delves are clearly more popular than M+ and raiding combined at this point.

In terms of player participation rate: delves >> raiding (including LFR) > M+ > raiding (without LFR).

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