How do you propose balancing m+ levels 1-6 then, when T8 delves are barely comparable to an M0 in difficulty and award gear comparable to that from m+ 1-6.
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And they’ll still be orders of magnitude harder than T8 delves after the tuning changes.
I literally don’t run mythics because I don’t enjoy the highly toxic atmosphere of them, but increasing their rewards such as crests output, or increasing their chances of dropping higher end loot, or more common to pieces you need would probably go a long way. Or, you know, lock mythic keys so that you have to complete M+2 to go to M+3 and suddenly delve gearing wont be a problem going into M+7
there is no such thing as a “solo player”. there are players who choose not to play with others.
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I mean, it is pretty simple.
Harder content (m+) you get better/more diverse gear and a quicker path to upgrade via a lot more crests. You can also trade gear with other members of your party.
(And depending on perspective of difficulty), slightly easier content, with some decent pieces, but much slower upgrade path due to the lack of crests (and maps to open 4th chest). Plus, you cannot trade gear.
System seems fine to me and working well.
Have fun playing what you enjoy playing and stop working yourselves into a frenzy with all the “but whatabout-isms…”
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that is literally what a solo player is…a player who plays predominately on their own, either by choice or because no one wants to play with them.
Yeah you don’t know that, you’re already rewarded well for bricking a 7 compared to heroic raiding in terms of Runed
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Don´t run them in a group and don´t outgear them with mythic gear and you do have a challange.
Delves are supposed to be for people running world quests, doing heroic dungeons and not for raiders and M+ heroes.
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So the fix to delves dropping disproportionate rewards is to make mythic+ also drop disproportionate rewards?
Honestly I’m starting to think gear itself is the problem. Maybe if we removed it people would just do things because they enjoyed them.
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is it disproportionate though? if mythic is more difficult and time consuming, it dropping better rewards per tier would make it proportional to delves?
the problem will be doing that will inevitably aggro the raiders. probably.
This season, I have no idea. Haven’t done any M+. I will admit, that I do agree, T8s are fairly easy, depending on class and spec, and how well Brann is leveled up (something a lot of folks seem to ignore), and depending on which delve you are doing. But I also didn’t do them at lower item levels because I honestly didn’t care that much. I still only do a few a week. I think I’m at 612 on my rogue right now, that’s like 3 weeks old?
Delves are fun, they are a way to funnel some loot, and if you try really hard, you can I suppose try to abuse it, like everything else in this game. But as I repeatedly state, they are far from the only solution for non M+/raid folks to acquire gear. Crafting and weekly quests and the TW weeklies and the weekly world boss and the anniversary event are all better options.
I actually have either 3 or 4 (I don’t remember for sure) hero items in my bank, that I’m not even wearing, due to duplication, or being the same ilvl as champ gear I already have on and enchanted/converted. And I’ve got a dozen pieces of champion loot, that I’ve started piecing together for things like a speed set, etc. If you looked at my vault right now, you’d see 3 level 7 and 1 level 8 delves done this week. And ironically, the hero item from the map (why I did the 8) was for a slot I already had hero in.
Oh, and I forgot, I bought two pieces of loot from the AH too, a mythic item and a hero item. Spent like 250k for both? I mean, you can literally BUY mythic slot items. Yet delves are the problem.
Whole thing makes me yawn.
M+ and Delves are not the only content in the game. Raids and M+ both drop appropriate levels of items, though raids don’t drop sufficient crests. Delves drop extremely high levels of loot considering their lack of any actual difficulty, which is the problem. They are the outlier by an extraordinary amount.
Compared to raids yes. Then you end up buffing raids disproportionately.
Then the game is too easy cuz everyone overgears the content in few weeks.
Then it all gets nerfed again or the content gets buffed and we’re back to square 1.
You pretty much needed a large group of friends, real life or not, during vanilla with 40 man raids.
You also don’t need a large group of friends or be a sweat lord to be successful now. Plenty of players are able to get +8s done for Gilded crests and craft 636 gear. Many are able to get +10s done for vault. The issue here is unfounded expectations of getting top tier rewards when WoW has always reserved the best gear for the hardest challenges. This goes back to Vanilla.
Why do people feels that they are entitled to Myth track rewards from M+ or Delves when it’s been fully accepted that not everyone will complete Mythic Raids and get CE? This is purely double standards.
In Blizzard’s own words:
In which case, Delves is far too rewarding for the difficulty. It goes against their stated black and white philosophy. You feelings and my feeling don’t matter. They clearly stated that reward should correlate to the difficulty.
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and that is the cycle of MMO’s isnt it? Players get stronger, devs make stronger bosses to counter stronger players, the gear gets stronger and enemies get squished, so on and so on until we get the big stat squish of the next xpac.
You can’t get champion gear from delves without keys, right? How many M+ dungeons can you run in a week?
I’m not talking about patch cycles. I’m talking about relative to within a single patch.
I reiterate. Maybe gear itself existing is the problem.
And, yet, didn’t nerf delves but instead buffed the rewards in M+.
So that tells you which direction they are leaning when it comes to difficulty being proportionate to rewards.
Granted this is just one step and anything could still happen but it would appear they are leaning toward “M+ is a difficulty outlier” currently.
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I’d love to see the numbers for how many delvs vs mythic + vs raiders there are in hard numbers.
Delves rewards are fine to me.
Delves gear wont make M+ obsolete.
You wont beat M+8 right away as you need to climb keys in lower M+ to be able to group at M+8.
It’s just like Mythic+ gear wont make Raiding obsolete.
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