As you all well know, Blizzard has announced a remaster of the Warcraft 3 RTS which will recount the history that built up to World of Warcraft itself. It will also be followed by the Classic release, in a well-timed natural transition.
How do you expect this will impact on World of Warcraft itself? Surely they'll use what hype they build from both the RTS and classic to push something to Retail.
We also know that the Warcraft RTS will add a few story elements to tie into World of Warcraft directly, so this will be their opportunity to push "new" characters into retail.
I can think of no better character than Calia Menethil herself. In BFA we've seen the Lordaeron image plastered everywhere, and it almost feels like they're preparing for some sort of resurgence to the kingdom that was lost.
Yes the Forsaken we know are composed of Lordaeron citizens, but they are a different people now, which even Blizzard themselves have promoted as having abandoned that heritage (except the ones who may soon defect if BTS is any indication).
I feel like the story of Lordaeron isn't over. We saw Uther's Tomb rebuilt with datamining suggesting more to come.
Can we expect the resurgence of Lordaeron, rising from the ashes, populated by both "Redeemed' undead and returned Lordaeron refugees living together in the face of the Forsaken, possibly even in a post-faction world, under the leadership of Calia Menethil herself?
How would this affect the Alliance and the world we know as a whole? If they do this, how can this be done in a manner that is appealing to Alliance players?
Til then, grab your sword and fight the Horde! For Lordaeron!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXajx7l4VxE
https://youtu.be/_ndjcgfUbYg?t=208
Please no, if Lordaeron doesn't return to the Forsaken it likely means Ashenvale won't return to the Kal'dorei.
These forums would turn into THE PURGE.
These forums would turn into THE PURGE.
No. lordaeron is gone.
calia will remain as a neutral forsaken, or probably alliance.
i am not seeing lordaeron being restored or rebuilded (probably for the sylvanas raid)
is more likely that the forsaken recovers lordaeron and nelfs re-taking teldrassil.
i think that was for a holiday.
calia will remain as a neutral forsaken, or probably alliance.
i am not seeing lordaeron being restored or rebuilded (probably for the sylvanas raid)
is more likely that the forsaken recovers lordaeron and nelfs re-taking teldrassil.
11/05/2018 06:24 AMPosted by MythlorWe saw Uther's Tomb rebuilt with datamining suggesting more to come.
i think that was for a holiday.
11/05/2018 06:28 AMPosted by DarethyPlease no, if Lordaeron doesn't return to the Forsaken it likely means Ashenvale won't return to the Kal'dorei.
These forums would turn into THE PURGE.
11/05/2018 06:29 AMPosted by Etheldald
is more likely that the forsaken recovers lordaeron and nelfs re-taking teldrassil.
Story telling shouldnt be directed by parity.
This is purely a discussion on the Alliance side, specifically in the Eastern Kingdoms. What the Horde does or doesn't do in Kalimdor is a different story.
I think the Undercity should be collapsed in, and the above ground City crumble, after all the damage we inflicted on it during the seige. A fire can be put out (Teldrassil) but the Blight should have a more lasting effect (look at the plaguelands/ the dead scar).
If they're going to pursue Calia as a figure, I think it would be more poetic if she were to cleanse the fire in Stratholme. It was her brother's actions that started that cursed fire.
If they're going to pursue Calia as a figure, I think it would be more poetic if she were to cleanse the fire in Stratholme. It was her brother's actions that started that cursed fire.
You race changed from a human, didn't you.
As to the RTS additions, they'll likely add a bit to the characters who have grown in importance beyond their role in the RTS. Though, I'd be happy if Genn got a cameo noping the heck out and building a wall in 2.5 seconds.
As to the future of Lordaeron?
They can really go one of two directions. Either the factions actually do take their respective continents save the Exodar and Silvermoon, or we revert to a status quo, and the Night Elves and Forsaken return to their respective lands.
If I were a gambler, I'd go with the latter, if only because it is far less complicated to implement.
If it IS the former, I'd hope the Night Elves and Forsaken get something better than another conclave and tent in a capital city. That said, if this IS the case?
-The Night Elves can heal the land in Lordaeron. It is gone as a human capital, but it would be interesting to see it as a resurgent, night elf land, giving them a new start not under the shadow of a super power who wants their resources.
-The Forsaken can likewise establish themselves in Darkshore, or even having their own offshore citadel on the ruins of Teldrassil. I like this latter idea, a massive, gothic construct, jutting out of the sea, with tattered ships plying the waters and spirits swirling about it at all times.
As to the RTS additions, they'll likely add a bit to the characters who have grown in importance beyond their role in the RTS. Though, I'd be happy if Genn got a cameo noping the heck out and building a wall in 2.5 seconds.
As to the future of Lordaeron?
They can really go one of two directions. Either the factions actually do take their respective continents save the Exodar and Silvermoon, or we revert to a status quo, and the Night Elves and Forsaken return to their respective lands.
If I were a gambler, I'd go with the latter, if only because it is far less complicated to implement.
If it IS the former, I'd hope the Night Elves and Forsaken get something better than another conclave and tent in a capital city. That said, if this IS the case?
-The Night Elves can heal the land in Lordaeron. It is gone as a human capital, but it would be interesting to see it as a resurgent, night elf land, giving them a new start not under the shadow of a super power who wants their resources.
-The Forsaken can likewise establish themselves in Darkshore, or even having their own offshore citadel on the ruins of Teldrassil. I like this latter idea, a massive, gothic construct, jutting out of the sea, with tattered ships plying the waters and spirits swirling about it at all times.
11/05/2018 06:39 AMPosted by BalthrulI think the Undercity should be collapsed in, and the above ground City crumble, after all the damage we inflicted on it during the seige. A fire can be put out (Teldrassil) but the Blight should have a more lasting effect (look at the plaguelands/ the dead scar).
If they're going to pursue Calia as a figure, I think it would be more poetic if she were to cleanse the fire in Stratholme. It was her brother's actions that started that cured fire.
Interesting.
Stratholme becoming the center of Lordaeron would definitely be a twist. It's where the story of the fall of Lordaeron truly began.
11/05/2018 06:34 AMPosted by MythlorStory telling shouldnt be directed by parity.
But it is. It might not be "directed by". But we have to remember WoW isn't just a story. It's a game. The mechanics of which often effect the story in more than one ways.
As observers of this story, we should take this into account when discussing its possible future.
And the fact of that is, if the Alliance truly starts reclaiming Lordaeron, then the Horde will most likely start claiming Ashenvale/Darkshore. And though it's entirely possible for that to still happen, it would be bad news for the Night Elves.
So if they do follow through with this, I expect Human fans will be happy. But Night Elf fans? Oof.... They've already been kicked so much.
11/05/2018 06:34 AMPosted by MythlorThis is purely a discussion on the Alliance side, specifically in the Eastern Kingdoms. What the Horde does or doesn't do in Kalimdor is a different story.
okay then.
i am not seeing lordaeron being restored or being touched in the near future.
the last thing that we need is more human focus at least for now.
after a really long time, then maybe, just maybe we can see more about lordaeron, calia after probably learning one thing or two, or even a society where the living and forsakens co-exists. i can see that under calia.
Good.11/05/2018 06:28 AMPosted by DarethyPlease no, if Lordaeron doesn't return to the Forsaken it likely means Ashenvale won't return to the Kal'dorei.
Don't go backwards. Keep moving forward.
Nah. They should just wall off the UC, and rebuild the city above. UC can then become a Ragefire Chasm-style instance.11/05/2018 06:39 AMPosted by BalthrulI think the Undercity should be collapsed in, and the above ground City crumble, after all the damage we inflicted on it during the seige.
Could you imagine the anger if the Kal'dorei fanbase actually lost darkshore after all this build up at the end of BfA.
IT WOULD BE BAD.
IT WOULD BE BAD.
11/05/2018 07:10 AMPosted by DarethyCould you imagine the anger if the Kal'dorei fanbase actually lost darkshore after all this build up at the end of BfA.
IT WOULD BE BAD.
It won't be lost, it will be an eternal battleground, like Arathi. I don't know which is worse.
I have zero expectation that night elves or Forsaken will be getting what they lost back provided time travel not being a factor.
If Blizzard were smart they would have these two races settle into the continents theyre bumming on. It would put an end to the Faction Conflict centered around the old Zones for good with the added benefit of the Night Elves never having to fall victim to the need for faction conflict ever again.
If Blizzard were smart they would have these two races settle into the continents theyre bumming on. It would put an end to the Faction Conflict centered around the old Zones for good with the added benefit of the Night Elves never having to fall victim to the need for faction conflict ever again.
It would also remove their entire identity for the last ten thousand years, I don't think they would appreciate it.
11/05/2018 06:28 AMPosted by DarethyPlease no, if Lordaeron doesn't return to the Forsaken it likely means Ashenvale won't return to the Kal'dorei.
These forums would turn into THE PURGE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlicWUDf5MM
If what determines a Night Elf is 1 Zone then they deserve death because that is just proof of an imagination bankrupt race. The only difference between Ashenvale and Hinterlands is Aesthetics. its all Soil, its all Nature, and it can be all night elf too. Just as if not BETTER than Ashenvale.11/05/2018 07:31 AMPosted by DarethyIt would also remove their entire identity for the last ten thousand years, I don't think they would appreciate it.
Kalimdor is 6 Horde Races to the Alliance's 2.5. There is no happy ending for The Night Elves here.
as long as they continue to stay in this abusive relationship their life is going to get any better and more likely than not it only increases the odds that theyll die.
11/05/2018 07:35 AMPosted by EstusIf what determines a Night Elf is 1 Zone then they deserve death because that is just proof of an imagination bankrupt race. The only difference between Ashenvale and Hinterlands is Aesthetics. its all Soil, its all Nature, and it can be all night elf too.11/05/2018 07:31 AMPosted by DarethyIt would also remove their entire identity for the last ten thousand years, I don't think they would appreciate it.
Darkshore, Teldrassil, Ashenvale, Hyjal, Winterspring, Feralas, Felwood.
How is that one zone?
Haunted, Burned to the ground, arguably the most sought after zone in the game by virtue of its overgrowth of life for the purposes of logging and preserving, A Zone thats main feature is a ticking time bomb if placed solely in the hands of the night elves now, a frozen wasteland, a nest for Highborne, and a Demon infested Forest.11/05/2018 07:40 AMPosted by AyaaniDarkshore, Teldrassil, Ashenvale, Hyjal, Winterspring, Feralas, Felwood.
How is that one zone?
The majority of the zones you listed there are ones too dangerous to house a race in or have some loose ties to what they were instead of what they are and can be.
11/05/2018 06:34 AMPosted by Mythlor11/05/2018 06:28 AMPosted by DarethyPlease no, if Lordaeron doesn't return to the Forsaken it likely means Ashenvale won't return to the Kal'dorei.
These forums would turn into THE PURGE.11/05/2018 06:29 AMPosted by Etheldald
is more likely that the forsaken recovers lordaeron and nelfs re-taking teldrassil.
Story telling shouldnt be directed by parity.
This is purely a discussion on the Alliance side, specifically in the Eastern Kingdoms. What the Horde does or doesn't do in Kalimdor is a different story.
Counter-argument: The Horde should take back Lordaeron AND keep Ashenvale and Darkshore, and make something out of what's left of Teldrassil.
Don't like that? Then you can see why faction parity is, in fact, a story issue.
This isn't the World's End Tavern - if you want to role-play impossible storylines then that's the place to go.
Because the reality is that Blizzard WILL keep faction parity for gameplay reasons. And they should - this is a game first, and any claim to the contrary is nonsensical.
So if your storyline involves the Alliance taking control of all of the Eastern Kingdoms, then it is de facto a storyline where the Horde take all of Kalimdor, and you need to take that into account. In particular, before you start speculating about a new human/forskaen Kingdom of Lordaeron, I'm wondering what you are going to do with all those Night Elves.
Also: OP, a Dark Iron should never cover that glorious beard.