Man they can’t even get healer balance right and theres like five specs 
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I mean I could also throw legos into the mix aswell (insert dbz meme of its over nine thousand) but this I’m fairly certain is an attempt at blizz muddy the waters and what is bis to in hopes to acoud a meta forming. Sadly they dont know us the player base we will find it and a meta will form just this time it will be a smaller pool that excludes more players the opposite of what they wanted
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This expansion may be the breaking point for me . I want to enjoy both the rp and the game play of it but if I have to choose one over the other then I could see me losing the passion for the game I have.
Which sucks because I’ve already lost my passion for current job of 9 years.
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I don’t count MW monk either. 
That would be stupid, though - as a due to the nature of the classes being seperate and the output of at least one HAVING to be better in important areas than others more consistently and reliably due to the varied toolkits and how they work, there will always be a most effective strategy available that can properly utilize it.
The only way they could stop a meta from forming is if they did an absolutely perfect job balancing this mess, and that will never happen, it will never ever ever ever happen in Shadowlands, heck - not for the entire game’s lifespan will that ever happen.
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I don’t get why anti-choice people feel the need to announce they are leaving the thread and then keep posting in it for the rest of the day
Jeeze, even worse than I thought then.
Transmog only
#PullTheRipcord
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All this talk about meta is the reason behind restricting players abilities to swap covenants. Blizzard could just actively chang specs during the expansion to make them all meta. Feral druid isnt meta? Change abilities and buff them. Shadow priest sux? Change them. I mean, wtf. Why cant they do this instead of locking up our player power.
I say, it’s not the reason. They tried it with azerite pieces. They did it with legendaries, sorta. They did it with corruptions and our cloak by timegating it.
So, 2 reasons. 1. They planned it around future patches for story reasons. 2. They want us to slow down and play longer.
Pull it now, pull it hard
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Then math gets in the way.
Considering how much of a filthy casual I am, I’m not sure what to add to this, but the inconsistencies of the game frustrate mainstream players.
Hardcore gamers I rely on for information when learning how to play this game better myself, but if the hardcore players as frustrated, I’ll end up being a lost puppy without a leash.
I hope I don’t get burned out again immediately in the beginning of an expansion and go on another 11-month hiatus.
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Give us engaging content with a story that makes us want to play and not a system where we feel forced to play because we feel we need to make multiple copies of the same spec in order to just feel viable in different forms of content.
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This is one of the issues I have too .
I’m a casual but I don’t think that should stop me from wanting to play better in the game and I too rely on those people to give me the information I need to play the game the way I find fun .
I do things because I want to not because I have to . Got my cloak up to 15 did some non mask full clears because I could and not of it was for a meta because I don’t do mythic keys at all or mythic raids while in current expansion .
I do things because I can.
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Almost all the roleplayers I’ve had SL conversations with dislike the covenant restrictions. There was one guy who was all for it, but he hasn’t even purchased BfA and only has a legion sub so he can rp. 
I wrekt my first beta character by changing covenants too much. People will make the same mistake on live. There needs to be minimal restrictions on covenants.
What do you mean?
It doesn’t even make sense from an RP perspective.
Sure, joining a Covenant based on your characters ideology is fine, and depending on how loyal they are, you may never choose to change.
But Covenants all share the same overall goal, and are willing to work with each other to accomplish that goal, namely that of restoring balance to the Shadowlands. They have no interest in monopolizing you, the Maw Walker, anymore than the Court of Farondis or the Valajar would have wanted to monopolize you in Legion.
Covenant locks only make sense in a zero sum story, where helping one faction actively hinders the other, like in say, the Horde v Alliance conflict.
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Same thing happened to one of my threads that got really popular. Despite a lot of people agreeing with it, there were people who disagreed and abused the flagging system to get my thread reported.
As for the issues with covenant abilities, I agree. I don’t trust that Blizzard can maintain balance across the other covenants and force me to be a Deathknight who becomes a sparkly butterfly because it’s the meta. Not that I have an issue with people who do want that, but I don’t want to join a different covenant every now and then just to be competitive.
Since the last thread got locked, I’ll go ahead and add my two cents here as well.
I’m all for purely story/RP purposes with covenant choice. I think it’s silly that the “Mawwalker” would only choose one covenant to ally with given the severity of the Jailor effects everyone, but I digress.
I’m not a hardcore gamer, I play very casually, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have fun experimenting with builds and trying new things. One day I might like one spec, one day I might like another. I keep this in mind, and always try to have gear sets for my specs when needed. Covenants make such a thing impossible. What is fun for me on one spec will not be fun in another on that same character.
More importantly, some times you just get tired of something and want to try something different. Just like a talent option, some times I’ll just try out something different to see how I can shake things up. With covenants, I literally cannot do this. I am locked into that decision (based on very inadequate information as leveling quests are very different than the content you do at end game, such as Torghast which is absolutely something a casual player like me is interested in.)
Blizzard, it’s time to pull the switch on this.
Keep it as a purely cosmetic/rp choice if you must, but don’t tie in player power to it. I appreciate your ambition, I really do, but it’s not working.
If nothing else, please just consider how this will effect the game in the future. Come major patches, are you going to be telling people who picked a covenant that their ability is going to be nerfed? Are you prepared to tell them this, to retroactively change the value of that “meaningful” choice after they made it? What happens after Shadowlands is over? Are we going to be continuing this trend of borrowed power to fix the holes in class design?
I’m sorry, but I don’t like this mentality of every time we enter a new expansion, we have to go through this process of taking away the things we have to play with in favor of different things.