The Eternal Palace hall of fame shows the damage Blizzard has done

[Beastbashx-area-52 (Beastbashx)]

Okey then =)

Good in my book.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

Sure. I fully realize I rub some people the wrong way.

This is true for every person on the planet though. I know I rub some the wrong way too.

[Failadin-arathor]

Nobody cares. If you want to do the raid, do the raid. If not, then don’t. The factions don’t need to be 100% perfectly balanced and saying there HAS to be the exact same amount of guilds doing the raid is dumb.

Most of the time people making posts like this have never even fully cleared a mythic current content raid and probably never will.

Like what exactly is the issue people have? “people who are doing content I’m never going to do are playing one faction over the other and it affects me in no way whatsoever, but I don’t like it!”

It’s as dumb as saying “Omg only Europeans ever get world firsts, european players should get nerfs and everyone else should get buffs”

I like when you try to be thoughtful and provactive. It’s cute. It gives me faith in humanity when even the least capable keep on trying.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

I like when you try to be thoughtful and provactive. It’s cute. It gives me faith in humanity when even the least capable keep on trying.

I don’t know you. Stranger danger.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

Just gonna ignore your claim since you’re too lazy to provide a link. Also I can see you went the cherry picking route with dodging the rated pvp claim.

@Drougen-emerald-dream

It’s fine if you’ve never done rated PvP and don’t know how vital being able to get out of any CC is

Don’t worry. I’d back out too if I were in your shoes.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

Just gonna ignore your claim since you’re too lazy to provide a link

Which you’re completely entitled to. Feel free to continue spouting wrong opinions as well.

Also I can see you went the cherry picking route with dodging the rated pvp claim.

I mean, what do you want me to say? “Congrats on pvping bro” ?

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

Feel free to continue spouting wrong opinions as well.

He says while making claims that I’ve never done rated pvp without even glancing at my armory.

I mean, what do you want me to say? “Congrats on pvping bro” ?

I mean avoiding it just makes you look even worse

[Sakhari-emerald-dream]

Because I have exercised undue patience with the majority of horrible decisions Blizz has made recently with the game… but that is the final tipping point.

They have gutted, and gutted, and gutted this game. The ‘faction war’ is part of the original “heart” of this game that they haven’t sliced away yet.
They carve that out, well, there really isn’t much left of the game that pulled me in so long ago.

Odin knows that it doesn’t play like an MMORPG anymore.
Server communities have been nearly dissolved.
Guilds have been neutered.
Classes and specs have been bled into homogenized, simplified, blandness.
The writers have completely jacked the story and the lore.
Raiding has been invalidated.
The over-arching game community is constantly embroiled in ‘us v them’ bs.
Most everything to do in game is an endless, neverending, grind with no real stopping points.

This is less and less the game that enthralled me. And the more that is torn down… The less it matters.

So… That’s why.
Does that answer your question?

[Cladis-bloodhoof]

By your logic when EMFH was OP and the entire arena bracket was dominated by Alliance that meant the entire Horde playerbase was a bunch of PVP scrubs. Gotcha.

Shifts in population have happened over the years, nothing about what you said has anything to do with my logic.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

Does that answer your question?

Not really, all those things you mentioned don’t not validate a reason for having factions. All of the things you list could be improved without having factions.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

I think that’d be a huge mistake. Personally would never look back on retail.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

I feel like it is going to happen. Also, you don’t like retail anyway…

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

They’re eluding to it. And if they go through with it I’d be done with retail officially unless they reverted it.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

He says while making claims that I’ve never done rated pvp without even glancing at my armory.

I never made the claim, I just said “If you haven’t that’s okay” as in, I didn’t bother to scour your profile because I honestly could care less.

I’m not that invested in the discussion if you couldn’t tell by me being too lazy to find you the exact Q&A I was talking about…but I guess that’s hard to pick up for some people.

I mean avoiding it just makes you look even worse

Uh…okay.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

They’re eluding to it. And if they go through with it I’d be done with retail officially unless they reverted it.

If they do it… It won’t be reverted…

[Sakhari-emerald-dream]

You asked -me- why that would be the reason -I- left.
And I answered it.

Put on your critical thinking cap and reread my response.
Because you missed -my- point.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

Sorry, when all of your reasons aren’t related to factions whatever. Maybe you should:

Put on your critical thinking cap

[Tewa-hyjal (Tewa)]

Here is my question to Alliance players…

To break it down…

My guild was Alliance… and my guild, like multiple other Alliance guilds, were doing progression raiding.
Of course… rosters need to be filled and maintained… and so we would recruit…

Alliance-side my experience was the vast number of players didn’t want to raid, or didn’t want to put forth the work, or, more often than not, simply could not improve themselves for one reason or another.

My guild attempted recruiting for months and months before we gave up.
And I’ve heard that story repeated by multiiple guilds.

The overall faction player population numbers are fairly balanced.
Racials, as they are, only really affect the play of the top 5% in squeezing out those last few performance numbers.

The problem is the players.

And, funny enough, it seems like, way too often, the people squealing that Blizz “needs to do something” about the disparity… They aren’t raiding. They aren’t pushing content.
They’re not doing anything.
They’re just crying about what they perceive as Horde bias when the fact of the matter is that -they- as players are among the problem and can be part of the solution.

Not everyone raiding Horde-side is there because they want to play Horde.
They’re there because they want to raid and they want to push keys… and that’s where players are that want to do that.

You want serious raiders and key-runners to play Alliance…than be part of creating the environment to bring them back.

So… my question is…

If you are so discontent with this disparity… what are you doing as a player to change it?

This is a great post and touches on a few things I’ve been thinking about while reading this thread.

First, it’s not like Alliance players are shut out of raiding or anything. We regularly pick up Alliance players. They faction transfer to Horde and move to our server. It isn’t a big deal. If you want to raid Mythic, that’s part of the package. A faction change and a server change are well worth it if it gets you into a good Forever Home.

Second, I’m surprised to see this thread at all. General Discussion is usually pretty predictable. Most of the time, it’s “raiders are evil, horrible people and raiding should be removed from the game”. And when it’s a discussion of something that hurts raiders, like removing loot options, it’s all “HA HA HA SERVES YOU RIGHT FOR BEING RAIDERS!!!”

But during the “world first race” when a new raid comes out, suddenly Mythic raiding is the most important thing in the world, because the same people trot it out as “proof that Blizzard hates the Alliance!” or whatever.

I guess we’re in the afterglow of the latest race, but I was still surprised to see a thread like this.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

I never made the claim, I just said “If you haven’t that’s okay” as in, I didn’t bother to scour your profile because I honestly could care less.

Yeah I wouldn’t care either if I were in your shoes. Kinda awkward for you

I’m not that invested in the discussion

I can tell

[Magharunter-dalaran]

Ah sh*t, here we go again