Yet here we are. 18 years later and the call for high elves are still a thing.
Stormwind and Ironforge would move on to the new Alliance. The Kingdom of Lordaeron completely fell. Garithos was from there, and was all that was left.
They did try to get help from the Alliance. The Alliance couldn’t spare anyone to help. If you actually paid attention to these starting quest you claim you did, you would already know that.
We are still allied with them and not you 18 years later. It’s very long term. They didn’t have centuries with anyone but themselves, they were isolationists for the most part. Only fulfilling their once alliance to Lothar.
You have to be delusional and forget or not know a lot of lore to think that way. It makes way better sense for them to join up with people they knew that helped them than people they did not, that would not help them.
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End of the High Elf Debate:
Void Elves
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It definitely makes sense why the vast majority of High Elf survivors renamed themselves and went Horde, or at least not bother returning to the Alliance.
What doesn’t make sense is why they caved and made Void Elves, something that would very well be just customization options like for Darkfallen or Eredar, which is criminal in it’s own right for two of the most influential entities throughout Warcraft lore to be a simple customization option.
They’re working towards a factionless Azeroth to begin with, so I’d imagine eventually Blood Elves would return to Alliance cities then boom, High Elves. But instead we got Blueberries, Blizzard’s roundabout way to add High Elves while still keeping those who wanted High Elves upset. Realistically should’ve just not added Void Elves and waited for the inevitable faction merge but oh well.
Survival pragmatism doesn’t erase history. Blood elves didn’t just fight Garithos’ forces—they fought orcs, trolls, and undead, all long before Sylvanas came into the picture. Their culture, society, and even aesthetics were rooted in the Alliance, not the Horde. Temporary help from the Forsaken doesn’t overwrite centuries of heritage, nor does it justify permanently placing them in a faction aligned with their greatest enemies. Shadowlands showed it could have been done better—maintaining their Alliance identity while exploring short-term alliances—without bending lore for convenience. Blizzard’s repeated attempts to “fix” it only highlight that forcing the blood elves into the Horde was never a good storytelling choice.
And there are differences between those things that you are ignoring on purpose.
No it was rooted amongst themselves that didn’t fit into the Alliance because the Alliance openly didn’t like nor trust how they chose to survive after the destruction of the well.
They were not their enemies at this point. Thrall’s Horde was not the Horde they fought before. Actually pay attention to the story.
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Sure, but they didn’t because the Alliance betrayed them, or something (or they needed pretty privilege for the Horde).
This is true, but Blizzard can’t write.
Thrall’s Horde may have been different, but that doesn’t suddenly make blood elves a natural fit. Heritage, culture, and values aren’t defined by whoever lends a hand in a crisis—they’re rooted in centuries of history. Isolation after a catastrophe doesn’t erase their ties to humans, dwarves, or the broader Alliance. Short-term convenience may have made sense, but it broke the narrative: blood elves are Alliance at their core, and no Horde ally changes that.
By the same few people.
Not many care about it.
Can you imagine how upset the general playerbase if a new race slot was wasted on high elves?
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It isn’t though. Those were Orcs under the possession of demon blood, and not Thrall’s Horde and the Trolls were the Amani, and not the Darkspear.
They absolutely did, especially with the Forsaken who also did anything for survival.
They didn’t have these strong ties. They reluctantly joined and left immediately.
After 18 years, you are gonna have to build a bridge and just get over it. MHPs aren’t able to read to understand the lore for it to make sense to you.
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Lore isn’t decided by majority vote—popularity doesn’t make bad storytelling good.
No, its decided by Blizzard.
And they decided that the Lore is Blood Elves came to the Horde.
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You literally cited Shadowlands as being better than Blood Elves going Horde, you should probably sit this one out.
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Surviving alongside the Forsaken doesn’t rewrite who the blood elves are. Their traditions, politics, and history are steeped in the Alliance, and a temporary alliance for safety doesn’t suddenly make them Horde material. Ignoring centuries of culture just because it’s inconvenient for the story doesn’t fix the narrative—it just highlights how forced the decision really was.
They have no history with the current Alliance. The old Alliance is dead and they are still with the civilians of that Alliance.
Their traditions, politics and history are their own and never belonged to the Alliance. It was temporary for the second war.
You are the one here ignoring their centuries of lore.
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Nope, but it changes who they become, AKA, part of the Horde.
The whole Blood Elf starting area goes through them from being neutral to going into the Horde, I’m not sure what’s bad about it besides your opinion of what the Horde is.
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The “but they were under the influence of demon blood” argument gets thrown out the window when they were cutting down the forests of Ashenvale for more land, killing kaldorei as they did it.
Orcs never got away from their conquering nature. Even the uncorrupted orcs of the Iron Horde were warmongers.
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Cutting down forests is not the same as killing people and especially what they did to the Draenei. They definitely are not the same. One was out of a need for resources, the other was to conquer.
They do have a long conflict with Night Elves that went back way before Night Elves even joined the Alliance. But it’s not like they were assaulting them, and building roads with their bodies. It was more for survival.
No I don’t agree that Ashenvale had the same tone as the conquering Old Horde. And the Frostwolves were not warmongers.
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The Horde should only be full of monstrous abominations and ugly anthropomorphic creatures. I’m not even sure how a prestigious Elf could stand to be near a foul Undead.
Because those were the people of Lordaeron that they were previously allied with. Perfume helps cover the smell.
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