The way this rework has been handled is absolutely abysmal. I cannot in the history of this game recall a rework that left the spec in a worst state than it was pre rework within a week. Many of us were very excited for the rework. FINALLY the class was getting the attention we felt it deserved. We weren’t going to be pigeon holed into lightning vs fire builds, our rotation was changing but in a way that felt good and rewarding to play.
This was on the PTR for a few weeks, probably more, i don’t know the exact timeframe. Was data collected here to tune our damage? It certainly doesnt feel like it.
I, like many of us spent a chunk of gold that was not insignificant on recrafts. I spent a catalyst charge changing 639 helm into 639 tier that might not even be our Best in Slot anymore after these nerfs.
This whiplash back and forth tuning is not fun, or healthy for the player base that plays and enjoys elemental shaman
I love this spec. I’ve been playing it since Wrath of the lich king (with occasional breaks between expansion) I’ve been playing consistently since the beginning of Dragonflight. I think i can confidently say that if this tuning nerf goes forward and isn’t adjusted, elemental will be in a worse spot than it was all of Dragonflight, numerically speaking.
Elemental is incredibly fun to play, and even more rewarding and fun when it is played well. Nobody wants to see their spec get overtuned, in either direction. let alone in both directions in one week.
Blizzard, please consider all the feedback and uproar around these nerfs. We are being loud because we love this class, we loved the rework and we want it to thrive and be relevant. The nerfs will do the exact opposite.
It was worse than pointless if these nerfs go through. We will be worse damage wise than we were prior to them and we lost a major gameplay element in CDR to try and keep the elemental up. Now the elemental is lackluster due to it’s cooldown making all related talents worse off. The CDR also nerfed all our defensives and utility. They also nerfed our cast speed(LB/CL) so outside Storm elemental/Ascendance casting feels sluggish and bad.
What did we gain though? Nothing of real value. Overloads outside ascendance aren’t really good and after nerfs will be worse. Ascendance is better but it’s a 3m cooldown and requires building into Mastery to make it good, which we have less incentive to do after nerfs. Lightning rod was a pure damage boost but gameplay wise it’s bad just like flame shock gameplay. Icefury that doesn’t add a lot of gameplay and feels bad having to use 2 gcd to use it and doesn’t really interact with the rest of the spec? Erupting lava that hinges on the riveting flame shock gameplay?
I get that CDR was warping the spec, but removing something that major and replacing it with a few minor things doesn’t make up the massive hole left behind. Ascendance was trying to fill that hole, but with the nerfs we are back to a void where gameplay should be.
Personally speaking I think the one link between CDR removal and ascendance is the speed of gameplay. CDR was great because it really sped things up via the storm elemental. Ascendance was great because it cranked the speed and damage to 11. That should be a major hint to Blizzard that Elemental without them plays way too slow and has no real payoff in spenders. If spenders actually did some good damage slowly building to them might feel better or just letting us cast faster to get to them quicker so we don’t need a huge payoff. If flame shock is going to be a major part of stuff they need to add a way to quickly apply and spread it, Magma totem isn’t cutting it and should be part of the root kit.
Baseline Ele without Ascendance right now is bleak to put it politely and it was only made worse by the rework not better. The rework was 1 step forward and 2 steps back, which is a massive failure imo because they could have done better by not touching it at all.
I can again post “I told you so”. It was predictable. At this point they have to add any Fire related talent a choice nod to Stormkeeper because Stormkeeper itself isn’t even worth pressing yet we are forced into it.
Removal of Skybreaker’s cut our DPS by 100-150 k. Great “improvement”. Enjoy 20th anniversary guys.
Typical Blizzard things tbh, they dont ever properly “balance” things; they just Overtune, or completely gutt. there is no inbetween.
Shammy felt amazing after the rework, and it wasn’t because we did crazy damage, but because the spec felt all around good, with proc’s, ascendance etc. Its a complete shame that it will probably not be played anymore cause it just got Gutted.
Yes I can. Read my post again and I predicted everything. Ele average dps in arena is in fact lower even now than pre-11.0.5. So thank you and your crappy discord for supporting these changes.
I am ok with ele being designed for PVE. The main focus of WoW. I would never ask for it to remain in its previous state of degenerate gameplay just because it works better in PVP. I will absolutely be ok with a PVE focused discord supporting PVE changes.
The changes were fine enough. The issue was the balancing that happened after.
People are now looking at the balancing and pretending they were “right” previously. When the current balancing has nothing to do with nearly all the complaints.
Sure. I never said otherwise. I have been pretty consistent on this.
The only degenerates are people like you who complain that they don’t press every button and ruin perfectly working spec in both PvP and PvE.
Everyone with iq higher than 70 which you appear not to be the one knew that this form of Ascendance cannot stay like this. I wrote whole paragraph in my thread about it but you will stay with your narration. Amazing “good for PvE” changes survived whole 7 days. Nobody could predict it. You and your whole discord compromised yourself.
It’s not about spaming - it’s about burst to sustain damage profile. Everyone in his right mind knew that this form of Ascendance cannot survive long and then nerf hammer came right at time. If you wanted to use all spells then they needed to tune the spec not rework it to then make it worse. However everyone in that discord was gaslighting every concern and fully supporting changes. Whenever I made a thread they came and posted something about “not being knowledgable” enough. Now we can see how knowledgable they were.
Hard agree. Thats why i liked this rework. Lava burst was worth weaving into your rotation to empower finishers/Stormkeeper/tempests and icefury was a nice movement global.
I dont want to go back to S3 dragonflight of only pressing lavabursts or pre rework only spamming lightniing bolt/chain lightning to spend as much maelstrom as possible and ignoring all other procs
Then they needed to tune the spec not rework it into this abomination that they didn’t even test properly. If they buffed Lava Burst damage you’d press it and not complain.
Probably because not many care about the dead game mode that is pvp
Insinuating that the current state of tuning is the result of anything that discord or its moderators/TCs have said is either blissful ignorance to the actual complete lack of influence those people have, or just dumb. They don’t have that power. They, like anyone else, can only give their feedback to whatever blizzard wants to mess with.
I for one liked the changes as the previous iterations of ele post-DF talents were horrendous imo. Nuking ele from orbit like this is overkill.
Nope. I was there for 2 days. I posted one thing and got memed so I decided to leave this circus.
It’s so dead that AWC happens every season and around 15% of the whole playerbase play it (compared to 40% M+ players - so you’re not even the majority as you think) according to poll but anyway. I’m not surprised with you PvE players being entitled. Is there even a point to balance the game for you as you’ll put everything into sim and fotm reroll to the most overpowered spec anyway. You even had problem with sacrificing one talent for dispel to deal with the affix so they had to nerf PCT.
Exactly that’s what you did you kept sending positive feedback about underdevelopped spec and gaslighting every negative feedback.
You liked the changes that stayed with us for 7 days. Fantastic. Post DF talents were fine they just needed some tuning adjustment because Earth Shock and Earthquake hit to hard with the set bonus and Lava Burst hit for not enough. If they adjusted it then it would be fine and you’d press Lava Burst because at the end everything that you care is a sim. Preference doesn’t matter because you will sim your rotation and do accordingly - that’s what whole PvE is about.
I don’t think that equates to gaslighting and again what did you expect in a place driven by high end pve?
Where is that number from? And I didn’t claim m+ players were a majority of anything, nor did I mention them at all lol
You aren’t even upset with me, hell I have no idea who you’re upset with but you seem to be taking every opportunity to just rant about things, such as this:
this was a blizzard-lead change, not a player issue lol
I sent positive feedback? You’ll have to show me where I did that. Not all feedback from others was entirely positive, and there are always issues to address.
People can still have preferred playstyles and still do take talents that aren’t considered bis, but I can tell you’re a bit sour regarding “pve players” and not being taken seriously in a pve-focused setting, which is odd.