The easiest spec to play in the game shouldn’t also get to do close to the most damage

Well when you’ve played WoW for a long time, surely you get the gift of stuff and other classes arent exactly “difficult”.

But that’s why when new players come along we don’t suggest those classes.

We usually suggest something like BM or frost mage or fury warrior.

Which have simple rotations

Go tell a new player to play spriest or arcane mage :dracthyr_cry_animated:

You mean facts backed by your logs.

I’m not hiding behind anything rofl.

Le’sigh…

Asked and answered.

Then meet me in-game. Just because I don’t have the time/energy to push content like I used to, doesn’t mean I can’t perform.
I’m super casual these days, so yea, I don’t have the insane score. But you still won’t catch me lacking.

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Shadow feels awful to play. I don’t know why we are confusing “feels bad” with difficult.

Again this is subjective. If you find outlaw difficult that’s fine doesn’t make it true for everyone else.

New players won’t know that “it feels bad” thats the point.

You having a decades worth of WoW experience doesn’t allow you to dictate that for a new player who’s asking for class recommendations.

Which always leads too bm/frost/fury as the safest specs.

Arcane is equally as awful. I used to play almost exclusively arcane, then covenants min/maxing got involved. Started convoluting the spec.

That I can agree with.

Arcane feels great. Hilarious spec. Big dam.

and TBF, My gripe was against that Yen guy saying all the classes are easy.

I play MM, and i think MM is a joke spec, (easier than BM).

I went from outlaw rogue to MM (because playing outlaw for an entire season was very exhausting).

I truly believe MM is one of the easiest specs as well.

Oops it’s icyveins not wowhead. My mistake.

Your logs indicate your level of play. You claimed to be an upper above average player and your MPLUS logs show you to be mediocre.

Again I am not going to give you free mplus carries. AGAIN I dont feel the need to “prove myself” agaisnt a hunter struggling to time 15s

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Ill be honest, I actually like how shadow plays, my only gripe was the removal of mind flay.

I think this is called, “crab mentality,” OP.

See and I can’t play it, at all. It’s also never interested me.

Pretty much me with my unholy. The setup is annoying and feels clunky between pulls. Where as bm, its constant and less of a headache. And it’s also nice not having your dps being tied down behind 2+ minute cds.

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My 1 day running keys semi seriously out of the 3 week season (up to that point), I pushed up to a 17. Doesn’t sound like I’m struggling to me.
Sounds like you are so full of yourself and your entitled opinion, you can’t see anything past your own nose.

Beginner classes, and specs with easier to play rotations and ultra-forgiving PvE mechanics like pets+healing+death preventions+etc should be less viable in competitive environments until the skill ceiling is increased higher due to the height of the floor.

You were carried to a 17***

Citation needed.

Truth hurts ya dont gotta be salty.

Meanwhile DK has been buffed twice already? I also expect some kind of unholy buffs next week.

I have literally watched warlocks face tank both pve and pvp with impunity for years. What are you on about?