We need to go back to having raids being the main forcus on this game… Make raids like Upperblackrock Spire, Zul’gurub, and Trial of Valor. Just a few bosses and content to do when you’re not doing the main raid.
Or maybe don’t just have eight dungeons on the rotation? Whose idea was that. We should have 16 dungeons on the rotation.
People can’t lock-in for large amounts of time anymore, everyone has pretty much gone casual, and that’s what’s killed raiding.
I remember it would take an hour or two just to summon everyone to the raid via meeting stone or warlocks, get everyone buffed, consumables, ready check, etc.
It was a great social phenomenon when it was current, but there’s no going back to that.
We’ve all grown far too impatient for it, lol. Would you want to stay in a wipe-fest group for hours on end, while people grow exhausted? I think lots of us have endured far too much of that, and have thrown in the towel expansions ago.
It’s not fun when your success relies on other people doing their job, and failing again and again as a result.
Even M+ gets complaints because people don’t want to be locked into a group unless it’s easy and stress-free (no bads).
And that’s not even talking about loot scarcity, and the reward problem/incentive.
There’s no reason to do the same thing on a harder difficulty, unless you are chasing numbers alone. Everyone sees the raid and all the cinematics on the easiest difficulty, and Mythic is just too far out of reach for most, so why bother?
Raiding is pretty much dead, compared to everything else. M+ is faster, and you can get raid pieces via vault as well. (I’d argue LFR is the most ‘alive’ version, and that’s tourist mode.)
As long as it keeps throwing out loot, it will stay alive no matter the affixs , balance , rng or behaviour of community playing it
After all the nonsense of people ruining keys because GOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO PULLED TOO MANY WIPE WOW UR SO BAD DROP GROUP and not fully understanding the requirements for the M+ seasonal mount achievement anyway because I always hear contradicting information?
Yeah, no, not bothering anymore. I guess I’ll literally never get any of that done (unless the mega-dungeon repeatable mount drop doesn’t have restrictions, which I HIGHLY doubt).
It’s too much stress and since I have a lot of alts, too? I’m here to play a GAME, not work a second job.
I don’t mind not doing M+ as long as I am fully aware of the reality but whenever things get weirdly vague and rushed and stressful so I feel like I must have WoW monopolize my time and overthink and feel the constant pressure of “missing out” and being permanently behind which further restricts any other avenue of gameplay moving forward?
Nah, I’d rather not log in at ALL when that’s hovering over me while pressing down on my shoulders.
I would rather stare at the wall and wonder when the sweet release of death will come so I don’t have to constantly have a neverending stream of information overload make me feel completely useless and worthless.
EDIT: Whoopsie-doodle! Sleep-deprived and went off of the title since it had the + symbol.
Not deleting because lord knows I don’t like to hide my mistakes unless they are grammatical/spelling, lol.
m+ needs to tone down the loot ilvl. i am an old school raid or die player and m+ got me decked out in bis within 2-3 weeks with absolutely 0 interest in raiding. i still raid but the fun is sucked out of it. m+ gearing is way too easy and the ilvl is way over inflated.
m+ dungeons should have lockouts and stop handing out max ilvl loot for little to no effort. it is ludacris. i love gear like the next player, in fact that is all i raid for, it is my personal reward for raiding. but with m+ around and having access to some of the best highest ilvl gear in game for free just sucks all the fun out of everything.
now before you say, “well dont do m+ then” well no, all of my guild members run it and i feel forced to run it as well so i do not hinder our raid progression by being undergeared.
m+ needs a serious overhaul. 1st the max ilvl in m+ needs to be brought down to that of normal mode raid gear ilvl. 2nd m+ needs weekly lockouts. 3rd or you can have the inflated ilvl of m+ gear but it will only go up within a dungeon and stay at normal raid ilvl for everything else.
since m+ was released i lost so many friends due to burn out and boredom and lack of interest in raiding and the game as a whole because they would farm m+ like crazy and get the best gear in the game for 0 effort in as little as 2-3 weeks. imo m+ was a great feature on paper but it was one of the big whammys that drove many players offline.
things need to change.
I’d be glad to see M+ go away. Let wow go back to being a RPG.
Having said that, I don’t see M+ going anywhere any time soon.
if you want to play classic, go play classic.
The days of Mythic Plus are over.
The rise of Mythic Minus is nigh.
No and no.
Well we know none of this is true. M+ is so bad yet, you’re still playing.
You didnt get bis from M+, ever. None of you seem to know what effort means either. Gearing never took only 2-3 weeks.
Reading people saying they want to be forced to raid to get gear is insane.
we’re not in 2004 anymore, wake up.
m+ is a far better game mode than raiding, as stressful as it is.
smacking your head against bosses isn’t fun.
not using your entire toolkit isn’t fun.
Want to become a better player?
start taking m+ seriously and push higher keys, in two seasons you will realize how much you will improve in this game.
The fact that it gives gear is great too, and im glad it does.
Unfortunately the damage is already done. People are addicted to the basically free M+ loot giveaway system.
No, im addicted to an endgame mode that uses my entire toolkit, where doing aoe damage actually matters and that i can log in and do at any time of the day.
High m+ keys are much harder and taxing than any heroic boss, so ofc it has to reward good gear.
Raiding is archaic outdated content.
Its ok to have it for those that want it, don’t force us to do it though.
Except its not free. You have to play the game. You don’t get mailed the loot for logging in.
What is wrong with your brain?
M+ is really easy lmao.
And raiding isn’t?
Yes. Mythic raiding is hard.
No, it isn’t
Finding 20 people with the same mindset and compatible personalities and the patience to log in every night is.
Cheers.
Basically this. If you want to spend an hour trying to get a group together and then another hour getting everyone to the location and then another hour in the raid only for the group to disband after the first 2-3 bosses…well…classic is that way ---------->
There are plenty of piss easy bosses in the raid.
You don’t have to participate in it? Lol