The day Classic + turned into retail -

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

@Aguy-grobbulus

Blizz-sanctioned

Blizzard hasn’t come out and said Mage Boosting is wrong either.

So once again, you’re proven wrong.

[Aguy-grobbulus]

@Chanye-pagle

Your point is entirely invalid as long as players have the option to turn it off, which they do, at any innkeeper

The ability to turn it off doesn’t address any of the points I just made.

New players are still able to level more than 2x as fast.

The devs are still sending the message that you’re meant to rush through leveling.

“Problems” that can be solved with player-created solutions are removed from the game by the devs, which reduces player agency.

[Unscarred-lone-wolf]

It wasn’t really imbalanced, it just wasn’t homogenous where every class had the same toolkit so it was more about rock paper scissors than anything else. Some classes were just very strong vs other classes but also weak against other classes.

In that sense I guess it was balanced. More balanced than this is at least.

[Eviey-stalagg]

@Aguy-grobbulus

If that’s all you’re taking from this thread,

that’s all you’ve communicated. crying =/= communication.

@Aguy-grobbulus

do you think its worth anyone’s time to try explaining this to you?

i mean, you should want to explain it so that blizzard can read the feedback. do you think they will listen to your melodrama?

@Aguy-grobbulus

New players are still able to level more than 2x as fast.

oh no, a new player might be able to hit cap before the season ends, the horror!

[Crudlord-tichondrius]

No it wasn’t.

[Aguy-grobbulus]

@Eviey-stalagg

that’s all you’ve communicated. crying =/= communication.

You’re gonna keep talking crap anyway, but here was my feedback to the devs:

@Aguy-grobbulus

Hey, thanks for making Phase 1 everything Classic+ should be. You provided an experience that maintained the feel and integrity of the Vanilla experience while delivering new engaging content and a fresh perspective.

Since P2 launch you’ve been trickling in things that undermine the foundation of Vanilla that the game has been built on, and are now going full blast with the “modern MMO” firehose.

I can appreciate that you’re trying to appeal to the widest demographic possible with these changes, and I think it’ll be successful, but its shifted too far away from why I call this version of the game home. From where I sit, if you’ve made a version of Vanilla in which the leveling experience is something that you are by design trying to help players get through as fast as possible, then you’ve lost sight of a huge part of what makes Vanilla such an excellent game.

Here’s hoping you and your team can get around to introducing an experience that honors and espouses the core values of Vanilla design sometime in the near future, so players like myself who enjoy actual Classic MMORPG gameplay can have a progressive Blizzard-provided server to play on.

@Aguy-grobbulus

@Aggrend-1483

In closing, what we’d really like to hear from you is feedback on what you want.

SoD has clearly diverged from Classic/Vanilla/whatever, so best of luck with that, but for any future Classic+ that could come out in the future, I’ll define what I think it should be:

Classic+ is new Eastern Kingdoms & Kalimdor content, including items, gear, encounters, events, leveling experiences, questlines and lore. It maintains Vanilla systems and design as-is.

New content, no changes.

[Aguy-grobbulus]

@Eviey-stalagg

oh no, a new player might be able to hit cap before the season ends, the horror!

Yeah you’re clearly not trying to understand my perspective.

[Eviey-stalagg]

@Aguy-grobbulus

but here was my feedback to the devs:

yea your problem is this is season of discovery. its not classic era. its not vanilla. this is something you need to accept.

@Aguy-grobbulus

you’re clearly not trying to understand my perspective.

because there’s no validity in it. it’s just you being upset that the game isnt designed around your personal wishes.

[Aguy-grobbulus]

@Eviey-stalagg

yea your problem is this is season of discovery. its not classic era. its not vanilla. this is something you need to accept.

yeah they need to remove the “Classic” moniker from SoD. Until yesterday it was very much Classic, and now it is very much not.

@Eviey-stalagg

because there’s no validity in it

mmmmm, no, my perspective is entirely valid

[Slaypuft-old-blanchy]

Go play a different classic server if you don’t like it.

[Aguy-grobbulus]

Point me to the progressive Classic server and I’ll gladly go play that.

[Eclipse-living-flame]

@Aguy-grobbulus

Point me to the progressive Classic server

There isn’t one. Because it would be DOA. Just like ERA. Classic doesn’t exist without all the returners and retailers. They’re not playing your game. You’re playing their game. It hasn’t been your game since 2019 with boosting meta, wcl, gs, and everything else. Classic was never and will never be Vanilla. This. This is Classic. The thing you so desperately cling to has never existed. Open. your. eyes. We won, you lost. Assimilate or go play Era. Classic is now whatever we say it is, damn the andys. (Also I’m not responding to your question about “what is an andy” because it’s not a good faith question. There’s no way you’ve been active since 2019 and don’t understand the concept). Bye felicia!

[Aguy-grobbulus]

@Eclipse-living-flame

There isn’t one. Because it would be DOA. Just like ERA.

Incorrect. Wall of “no” all over again!

@Eclipse-living-flame

Also I’m not responding to your question about “what is an andy” because it’s not a good faith question. There’s no way you’ve been active since 2019 and don’t understand the concept

You can’t define it. That’s why you won’t answer it.

[Magor-defias-pillager]

Yeah. I have a wife, 2 kids in sports, and a full time job. I’m not complaining about leveling time either.

[Dactyll-barthilas]

I agree, if xp was a issue for alts why didnt the devs add in more quests like the sleeping bag quest or mounts at level 30.

Flat 100% xp buff is just rushing people to end game to raid log. Lots of retail and wotlk players are influencing sod and it will be ita downfall in the long run.

[Zenetta-proudmoore (Zenetta)]

It will never not be super bizarre how classic cultists freak out about faster leveling speed or travel time etc. They are beyond obsessed with how other people play the game and lose their minds if anyone enjoys it differently than they do.

It has no impact on you at all if people level faster. Level slower and join some cultist guild of people who refuse to level faster if it means that much to you.

[Aguy-grobbulus]

Coming over to the Classic client to play, refusing to understand why Classic design philosophy matters, demanding it be changed, then mocking the core Classic playerbase will never not be super bizarre.

[Zenetta-proudmoore (Zenetta)]

@Aguy-grobbulus

core Classic playerbase

There were 20k era players and hundreds of thousands of WotLKC and retail players.

SoD intentionally attracted more than era players because it is not worth Blizzards time to develop new content for 20k people.

SoD was never meant to be an era exclusive thing.

Further, they have the data. They see that vanilla philosophies were tremendously unpopular and they were hemorrhaging players in phase 2. I knew this for awhile and said it in multiple threads. It was obvious they were going to have to start making bigger changes to try to save the mode.

It would not be worth development time to make this mode for classic cultists exclusively.

[Nancypelosix-benediction]

@Byyp-ashkandi

Because Asmon stopped playing. And Asmon has said: Sod Man Bad

sod is bad

[Aguy-grobbulus]

@Zenetta-proudmoore

There were 20k era players and hundreds of thousands of WotLKC and retail players.

There were 10k players on Grobbulus alone, and it was one of the medium sized servers. Where the hell are you getting your data?