Out of all the 5 characters I made from my fanon which is essentially Dark Eldar in Warcraft at its most basic/First inception before it evolved into its own thing. The leader of them Druk’dorei is the only one in their entire sub-race which was a noble pre-fall of Silvermoon, and she is a Half-Elf for gods sake.
I could easily write a full thread covering the Druk’dorei idea I stormed up. But idk if anyone would wanna read it
I thought San’layn were made in a “different” way from other undead. They have a blood curse, similar to the vrykul and pirates we see in Stormheim. They are undead, but not like Nathanos or Sylvanas, or the Dark Rangers.
I mean Dark Rangers, I thought, were Banshees that just repossessed their bodies? And then use shadow magic.
Please no more elves unless they are High.
I’m trying to think of raid villains that had no origin in Warcraft that I still liked, as proof that they are capable of a good bad guy without ruining old lore.
I feel like the Thunder King is the best I can come up with. Elisandre, or whatever her name was, is up there too. It’s small company
Mankirk and Magmaw: Give us back our wives
It looks like they’re retconning it I think, some 9.2.5 quest lore or something, lumps a bunch of stuff under the ‘race’ of Darkfallen.
Ohhhh. That’s weird, and seems unnecessary. I mean I guess you could argue Death Knights are the same as San’layn since they have the blood spec which has the blooddrinker ability, so I guess they are just saying all undead are “Darkfallen” now.
Yeah I think any undead elf basically – but if I got that wrong, someone will correct it for sure
The other thread about where races are going to end up now got me thinking about the Darion and Bolvar dialogue about the Scourge but I’d rather post it here than go off topic on a post that’s now no longer being discussed there.
I think their conversation is a good indication of why WoW’s storytelling is so lackluster. I mean, yes, the quality of the writing and the lore additions are poorly executed. But as far as actions and character responses to things go, this highlights another detail about how noncommittal everything is.
So Darion basically says “we’ll keep the Scourge in check” and what does this mean? It means jack squat. It’s basically unnecessary word bloat that tells us nothing. We already know the Ebon Blade would try to contain a wild Scourge. This translates to “we’ll handle this in due time when the writers feel like showcasing it I guess”.
It’s the writers basically refusing to commit action to these characters just in case they want to use them later. But it’s boring. It’s slow. Combined with many conversations that feel this way, it drags actions’ feet. It’s like me telling someone “I’ll get around to it” when they ask me to do something I don’t want to do. Which isn’t what you want some super cool action hero knights who don’t have to sleep or eat and exist to fight be doing.
You know what would have been more exciting? An actual plan. Have Darion tell Bolvar Acherus has been deployed to Crystalsong and is bombarding Scourge that roam out of Icecrown. Have him say he’s leaving immediately for Northrend to begin a cleansing campaign.
Give us actions, man. Give us concrete things to imagine taking place off screen instead of murky vagueness that exists just to make doing whatever the writers want in the moment without having to deal with continuity in character actions. It’s not good for a WoW story. It takes us out of the world. It reminds us that this is all fake, no characterization matters, and it’s all subject to the whims of the writers.
It reminds me a lot of how I RP out conflict. Since conflict is addressed via events, which aren’t going to happen as often as I RP, there’s going to be a lot of talking about doing things in between. And I’m the first to acknowledge that cuts the tension I’m trying to add. But I’d expect a little higher quality from the people who go to a 9-5 office job exclusively to do this.
I don’t remember if I said anything earlier and I’m too lazy to scroll but I have like, a lot of words about how Pelagos monologue just kind of exemplifies the idiocy of the entire Shadowlands premise and wraps it all up in one incredible empty speech. I lack the capacity to really break it down in a coherent manner and i’m sure enough if it is bias/meta commentary but man… We really wanted it to be clear how meaningless death and the afterlife is in the setting huh.
I mean, they can even do this even leaving it vague.
“We are sending Archerus to the most dangerous concentrations of Scourge in the Eastern Kingdoms, and teams of our best Knights to the outposts in Kalimdor. We will have to trust that the Argent Crusade can hold Ice Crown while we slay these Warlords, and dominate their armies of mindless Undead before they can ravage Azeroth.”
WoW writing both gives great joy for what could be done, and intense rage at how badly it gets mangled to make certain characters front and center, no matter how ham-fisted it is.
You know, I’ve only experienced Shadowlands via YouTube and conversations here but it does remind me of WoW expansions of the past.
Specifically The Burning Crusade.
Oh sure, Illidan at least had a history over Zovaal, but we still had naff all to know about his motivations (and even the Legion retcon still didn’t really explain why Illidan was the way he was), or why things were happening. Kael’thas is siding with the Legion the same way Kel’Thuzad is suddenly siding with Zovaal. It just felt like a vague interconnecting web of stories with zero satisfying conclusion and vague allusions to greater dangers (Sinestra buying Nether Dragons off the Dragonmaw, for example).
Illidan also had a larger brothel than the Jailer, who only had Anduin and Sylvanas.
We need this.
I am using void elves to get the “look” but I really want real unded elvs.
Kinda like the helfers, but better.
Stop stealing my jokes!
It does make me wonder how many of the women who worked there had to dress up like Tyrande and spent their time telling Illidan he was right and validated.
Still disappointed that you can’t use the Withered look for Nightborne. I think they look so much more cool than ‘oh look more generic elves’.
Being able to RP as Tyrone Biggums would be pretty fun.
I really get the gut feeling that next expansion will update Lordaeron and Quel’thalas before going to Dragon Isles. I think the Alliance might get Gilneas updated and that will be their new hub while Horde gets Silvermoon updated. And then both will use their ports to go to Dragon Isles.
I also wonder if Lordaeron will become like a new PvP zone that is updated. Or, maybe Blizzard turns it into a zone where it becomes overrun by Light fanatics and both Horde and Alliance have to fight there to push forces back.
If we are going to the Dragon Isles I bet they are floating islands in the sky somewhere. I just hope we don’t fly Dalaran over to them or something I’m tired of Dalaran as a hub although anyplace is nicer than Oribos (almost)
This would have me like 5000x more interested than Cataclysm 2 honestly. I’m still sick of dragons, even after all this time 