Yikes. That part never fails to amaze me. How Sylvanas- allegedly a tactical genius- hires the most incompetent assassins to take out Thrall, who not only allow Saurfang to track them all the way to Outland but then attack only when the two of them join forces…but I digress 
And again science(particularly science fiction) is guilty of it too. You have a problem, poof, someone thinks hard enough and science can suddenly solve said problem. Happens hundreds of time in Star Trek.
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Just to try to keep you on track with the topic.
Agreeing to a one time show trial against a man both groups wanted to convict for separate reasons is not an agreed upon set of rules of conflict. This thing you’re hinging your entire argument on, didn’t actually happen in the Warcrimes trial you’re referring too.
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A guy did a bad thing. Both factions acknowledged it was a bad thing. Both factions agreed to let a third party intervene and hold a trial to ensure justice.
Both parties might have wanted separate things out of it, but we had a trial nonetheless. We have had a war crimes trial now. Did it set up future rules? No. But, if the factions were willing to allow a trial to be held for petty crimes (compared to what Sylvanas’ Horde has done), it is ridiculous to say that it couldn’t happen again, especially for something this massive. Never before has a player faction attempted genocide.
While we do have a foundation to build off of with this, Blizzard will never, in a million years, be capable of writing a sensible and fulfilling ending to this story. So instead, we just have to accept it being swept under the rug.
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Two people agree that a guy did a bad thing, not even necessarily on what the bad thing is, just that he did bad things. Does that agreement constitute a set of rules in your mind? Because you’re dramatically off topic to the point you quoted.
You left out the really important third part there.
This indicate that they’re willing to cede jurisdiction to a third party. Meaning… it could happen again.
This here is on point to what was quoted.
Really, because I think these are the two important parts.
Your first claim.
And where you ended up. All without ever once admitting you were wrong.
As for your claim it was on point. Grandblade’s quoted section was about making real world comparisons, so it had nothing to do with your argument. Zivilyn’s quoted section was about there being no pre-agreed to set of rules for engagement and combat in Azeroth. A position you have done nothing to refute or address.
So I guess if the only thing you wanted to do was say “Hey, since both the Horde and Alliance want her dead, they could let a third party try Sylvanas for her crimes” then sure. It worked out really well the last time that happened.
My whole first post was about not needing real world examples to work off of, as we had Garrosh and the War Crimes trial; those are in universe, in canon, in game/novel. It is relevant and accurate information that hasn’t (yet) been retconned.
That is the connection point, and it was specific to what Grandblade was saying.
Because it’s a fact? I’m not going to refute or address something that doesn’t need either. There are no rules of engagement in this universe (only moral principles specific to various races/cultures) - and yet still we had a war crimes trial for Garrosh; that’s not an issue of my creation, that’s an issue of Blizzard’s.
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Fair enough, understanding now the thrust of your argument I accept your correction and admit I was wrong to criticize the relevance.
Having said that, I think even saying that the Horde and Alliance *could * decide they want to repeat the events of the novel Warcrimes is technically correct, but misleading. The trial of Garrosh Hellscream was a complete failure, and as you point out, he was both significantly less powerful and less destructive than our Banshee Queen. The first person to suggest a third party put Sylvanas on trial for her crimes should be smacked on the back of the head and told to shut up.
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Not going to argue that at all.
And I wholly agree with this.
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I’d say:
If both of these events were real, Teldrassil would be worse because with Teldrassil the intention was not only to make innocents die a painful death and wipe out the race, the souls were also sent to eternal damnation with no way out.
Same goes for if both events were fictional.
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The strategy was to kill Thrall. The tactic was sending two assassins in stealth to follow Saurfang and execute Thrall when he found him.
Sylvanas probably said to Blightcaller, “have Thrall killed” and he came up with the tactic of sending assassins to follow Saurfang. Someone else down the command chain probably picked the incompetent assassins’.
But, according to Saurfang in “Safehaven”, Saurfang followed the assassins.
So, they must have not noticed a big green orc was right on their tail, or they had been farting around too long before Saurfang showed up at Thrall’s place.
love to see nerds on world of warcraft debate lore so seriously
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It’s widely known that NPCs are allowed to multi-spec, it shouldn’t be that much of a surprise they can multi-class as well. Perhaps Saurfang is also a rogue.
Says the nerd.
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Its true. You get a special skullduggery cap if you help him.
The purpose it serves it to make the reader (who is just being introduced to the concept in the fiction) have an idea about the context of whatever event.
Doing so for this video game not only does not work, but it serves the opposite purpose. Comparing literally anything in WoW to WW2 means one side is OBJECTIVELY wrong, among other things. Bad bad bad.
You’d have to give me some examples of something doing multiple, completely unrelated unique tasks that were never mentioned beforehand.
Either way, we were discussing the whole, ‘technology is magic’ thing which isn’t what is going on in Warcraft. Conjuring a portal isn’t because a mage is operating a alien device, it’s because they waved their hands around.
Quick example, seven of nine was being persecuted by a group of people who were nearly all asimilated by the borg, they initially wanted to get revenge on her but at the end of the day, she “remembers” a tech said people needed to survive and gave it to them.
In Peacekeeper wars of Farscape, the protagonist finally realize the super secret weapon everyone was after was a black hole generate and used said knowledge to force peace or have the entire universe destroyed.
Does it really make a difference? Both defies all know laws of physics. It might as well be magic as far as we are concerned! Hell, if I went to the dark ages and used my mobile device people would burn me for being a witch.
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They’re only incompetent because they’re up against Heroes. Just like every mook looks incompetent when he’s fighting James Kirk, or Neo.
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