It was 40 until the Wrath prepatch bumped it to 256 (I think). It was supposed to be effectively unlimited, but you could still hit the cap if you tried. Later it was changed to be even higher (probably just changed to be a linked list instead of an array).
It seems to have been a memory limitation rather than an intended gameplay mechanic, so I don’t think they should bother re-implementing it.
Ditto with the effects of latency, batching, and leeway.
40 is pretty high so I don’t think any changes to it would be noticeable. The vanilla one was a bigger deal since it was 8 and now Classic is 16 but I get it. It doesn’t bother me but I wish they discussed their reasoning behind changes they make or don’t make like they did with the debuff limit. Would just be nice to understand their view. Their being Blizzard.
Well I think implementing “NEW” features such as that would greatly take away from the essence of what TBC was. Here’s an example of what i mean:
I really hate that the last 2 bank slots in classic cost 100g! Its totally ridiculous and something blizz eventually agreed with and made it a flat 25g in TBC, would I like to see it changed in classic? Sure i would! would it affect game much? not really (at least thats one less bank alt i’d need to make).
But something like Dual spec would drastically change how many of the encounters (raids) in the game would function, that’s a MASSIVE change that was not meant for the content, you have look at each suggestion and how it would affect EVERY aspect of the game and how much impact it would have.
But many of us, like myself, did set our expectations correctly.
I feel like most of us knew MC would be cleared the first week or so. Most of us expected WSG pre-mades. We all knew the fights already.
That’s ok. We can still have a vanilla experience. I’m still having a blast with Classic and plan to continue for many years.
A version of WoW that stays as is is what is appealing to me. A version of WoW where gear stays relevant and the hamster wheel stops spinning so you can actually step off to smell the flowers. That’s what I want and I don’t want people ruining that.
I played vanilla. I mean both. Most pserver players played vanilla. My view isn’t skewed. My point with the pserver is pretty clear. If they can do patch progression to match vanilla why can’t blizzard?
That comment doesn’t set a precedent. It’s someone arguing for many changes. There are others arguing for few changes. There are still more arguing for no changes.
Claiming that means anyone who isn’t #NoChanges wants those changes as well is inductive hyperbole, as you said.
Claiming any change means we’ll get all changes is a slippery slope fallacy.
We’ve been over this already. Why restate your argument?
First of all, guild banks already existed in BC so that’s a non issue.
Dual spec, achievements, and transmog belong in classic wrath. And all very much impact gameplay.
The rest don’t belong in a classic version of the game.
THANK YOU!
I thought I was crazy for remembering gbanks being part of TBC. I just didn’t have time to go look it up yet.
Transmog was cata, though.
The slippery slope doesnt say one change leads to all changes. It says one change can lead to more changes.
Look at classic as a good example. Since blizzard decided to “fix” premadss we have people asking for merc mode, wsg changes, av map changes, etc
2.3 was when it was added.
The first day must be unplayable followed by a day of free time followed by everyone logging on the next day to a laggy outland.
So being able to swap and have more game play options affects your game play negatively.
Having nerd points affects your experience negatively.
Someone dressing different on their virtual pretend WoW character affects you negatively.
Hrmmmm…
I’m going to stay over here in my Bob Ross happy zone where I don’t care what other people are doing with things that don’t affect me in the slightest.
Negatively? Maybe maybe not. But it impacts how the game is played. The goal is burning crusade. Swapping specs anytime anywhere impacts that. As for achievements they absolutely changed how the game was played. “Lf2m for x dungeon. Must have achievement”.
Transmog? Absolutely will negatively impact others. You’ll have people rolling on stuff purely for jogging. As well as people ninjaing for transmog.
Both of those are slippery slope arguments. The reason they’re fallacious is because they aren’t supported. Changes were made to classic, yet it isn’t turning into BFA. Changes can be made to TBC without turning it into BFA.
That’s technically incorrect. People haven’t been arguing for those things “since” blizzard made the change. They’ve been arguing for those changes (and MANY others) all along.
All specs are viable in classic to degree.
Hybrids are for elite/veteran players/theory crafters if you go other than healing.
What makes hybrids bad is new players/ppl that cannot think outside the box/ ppl listen to streamers.
To make them easier to understand is more itemization if they made a classic + instead of for the elite.
Think of hybrids as healer is scratching the surface and any other is deep dive in uncharted water that has massive depth.
Let say you decide to go Prot Paladin.
I could go on on on what you need in each phase or per gear you have(itemization) to the talent build per item you have at the time, and much much more information. Than hey here is pre BiS or BiS. That’s not right in a hybrid. Your BiS or pre-BiS can switch depending on what you have on.
You will have to know or have someone telling you every item you get and save all items because that item could be your BiS depending on gear you have on at that moment in time.
Or can depend on what your doing at the time aoe farming, reg dungeon runs, and raiding.
Some ppl don’t know Paladins have two types of taunts.
One the aoe with the blessing(only do if it’s one boss or everything will come to you. Best used in raids.
Next one is a talent by throw a buff to take dmg from target. Only works if you’re 2nd on threat. When you use it will taunt the boss to you because you’re threat will be Top after that.
It has I think a 3 min cd.
So I’m reading;
Dude, I don’t have to pug anymore. Join a guild and do guild runs, you remove pretty much your entire argument above with one social action. Ya know, MMO.
This is a funny yet relevant take! They would need to implement layering in outlands at the portal for the first week of launch.
It isnt about if it turns it into BFA. Its about changing what it’s supposed to be.
The too far point isnt bfa.
But a lot or those arguments died post release. Sure they popped up every now and then. With no real traction.
Now? Now those threads have traction.
Doesnt matter if you have a guild or not. The fact is that the changes you support do in fact negatively impact gameplay and others.
Waah you. Waah you not wanting classic BC but some homogenized crap game. Go play retail for that.
I want TBC at this point, seeing as how they have ruined PVP in vanilla with xrealm but no xgrouping. basically feeding all of the PVP kids to the high pop warlord queues
Since Vanilla Classic is supposed to be a museum, TBC will probably be on different servers.
Since Blizz is lazy and understaffed I doubt there will be any ability to transfer or copy your character from Vanilla Classic.
Therefor, we’ll all be leveling from 1 to 70.
Also, layering goes across continents. One layer has copies of Kalimdor, Eastern Kingdoms, and Outland.