The bullion system feels fantastic - every two weeks i get to choose a piece of my BiS gear and make meaningful progression on my character as the season continues.
It feels really good to know that i will be able to choose my BiS item from a vendor in two weeks time instead of waiting the entire season for a drop that never happens and a great vault slot that is filled with (yes, you guessed it) three sets of bracers from the raid and three sets of bracers from mythic plus - what do i do then? can’t take sockets because my gear already has full sockets on it.
now, there will be people who come into this thread and say things such as “well, blizzard can’t let you gear too quickly because then you finish the content too quickly and then you’re gonna be upset that there is nothing for you to do.”
Sorry but that doesn’t apply here - for anyone. No one really has that issue - if i gear quickly and finish my goals quickly, i’m really happy - I am glad that I succeeded and finished what i set out to do. It makes me feel good.
In fact, the bullion system makes the game feel fun to play, so guess what? yes, that is correct - i will continue to play the game by creating and gearing an alt - i do this because i had fun.
without the bullion system, i finish my main and then i’m done with the game until next season because the gearing process was such a chore and a huge pain - why would i want to put myself through that again?
so by making gearing too slow and too heavily reliant on RNG, blizzard actually reduces the amount of time a player would spend in the game because they are much less likely to play an alt.
thank you all for reading and i hope you have a lovely day.
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implement bullions , make them a chance to drop not a guaranteed thing that way it slows it down but still gives that BiS choice and then remove vault, we dont need even more ways to get end game gear quicker. plus TWW has delves as well which is apparently another way to get end game gear so we got enough as it is.
if they keep implementing things to pick BIS items / get free items ( vault) then they might as well just give you raid gear upon hitting max lvl.
if you implement quicker ways for people to get BiS and finish out a char quicker then those that only play a 1 or 2 chars will go well im done for the season and not sub till the next season drops. as it is half if not more of the guild i raid with have already quit for the season because of how easy it was to gear with fated and bullions
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I can’t say I like it… but its a better system then the vault
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playing a second character is still a valuable time investment and would produce more profit for blizzard over one person only playing their one character and never touching the game after their main is done because the gearing process was so painful.
did your guild already clear mythic amirdrassil, mythic aberrus and mythic vault of the incarnates on fated difficulty?
its a guild full of old people so they aint got the time / aint got the consistent numbers for mythic but cleared H Aotc each season and done the raids in fated as well. prob would do mythic if we had the consistent numbers but thats another problem altogether
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well then i would say that your previous statement does not apply to your example:
your guild didn’t complete all of the content in season 4 anyways and they had no intention of doing so - whether or not the gearing process involved the bullion system had no bearing on your guild quitting before the season officially ended.
I can only speak for myself but almost everyone I know didn’t take season 4 seriously to begin with. In terms of actual serious consideration of the season - it was DoA. That was only reemphasized when everyone disappeared around the time remix hit. Either people shifted to play remix or those that remained stopped playing because of the volume of people who left for remix.
exactly, if people didn’t play for the entirety of season 4, it was most likely due to the fact that there was no new raids/content - it was all recycled content (including mythic plus dungeon pool).
so the bullions/determinative gearing system did not affect people’s engagement with the content nor did it dictate how long they stayed subbed during season 4.
its not a mythic raiding guild so yea all the content is done, sorry we dont run a consistent 20 man raid team like bigger guilds do but you take away the bullions and theres alot more you gotta run, say its a 239 raid team, take away bullions and thats 90 free items gone at this point of the season and makes you farm that raid for longer and longer keeping you going. but when everyones getting bis gear for nothing of course you gonna stop raiding
adding in a bunch of free ways to get bis just takes the whole point of raiding out of it, might as well just do lfr and call it a day. 15 gear slots ( 16 if dual wield ) 4-5 are bis tier slots and then you get the remaining 50% of your gear via bullions half way through a season and end up complete BiS as the season ends with no effort.
vault dont help either its just another free piece, catalyst is only good cos tier token drop rates suck.
not really, no.
even with full BiS, not everyone full clears mythic raids and gets cutting edge - the same applies to season 4. not every raiding guild that has the goal of full clearing mythic has cleared all the raids on fated mythic difficulty.
whether your guild intends on raiding mythic does not change the fact that mythic raids are the end-game of raiding - so saying that your guild full cleared heroic and is done does not mean they left because they finished content too quickly because they didn’t actually finish the content.
your guild un-subbed season 4 early because they CHOSE to not engage with the rest of the content - which, in this case, is the mythic difficulty of fated raids.
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With season 4 specifically I feel like all the things that were meant to elevate engagement all contributed to it’s fall off.
- Bullion - I can’t tell you how many people after the first six weeks basically said they had all their chase items and were using Bullion for transmog.
- Awakened Raids - specifically the rotation and not having control over which one we wanted to do. It was difficult on the few people we had who hadn’t done it and the others were already bored with it.
- Changes to Mythic+ - I don’t know anyone who was in the low end mythics who actually liked those changes. Everyone who complained about them got brow beat by the people who weren’t affected by the change to begin with.
does that mean they stopped playing the game? no it does not.
most people do not chase gear to have the gear, they chase gear so their character can be more powerful.
there is literally no purpose in getting full BiS and then un-subbing.
most people who chase their TRUE full BiS do so in order to get cutting edge or push high end mythic plus rating.
that’s like saying - oh, well it’s so easy to get conquest pvp gear so everyone just quits the game once they get full conquest pvp gear in all slots.
no, once people get full conquest pvp gear, they can actually play the game and work on succeeding in higher MMR brackets.
“hey guys, i just finished getting full conquest gear on my character, time to un-sub” - said no one ever.
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point still stands that you can be full Bis and not clear mythic just cos you arent good enough, but thats not the point here, CE may be the ultimate end game raiding but thats not the topic here.
bullions dont have a place in a non fated season , sure if fated is coming in S4 of TWW sure bring em back but we dont need more ways to get free gear. i can launch a fresh 70 toon and have 1/3 of my bis instantly at this point in time of the season and another 1/3 with tier catalyst. it may be alt friendly but its a stupid system to have in normal seasons.
all i read from this is that bullions should be a thing so those chasing CE can get their bis easier. not everyone plays to get CE but doesnt mean that there needs to be more ways to make it easier to get Bis and CE is supposed to be a challenge. with bullions added might as well just not raid for 2 months of a season and then just fully gear up in 2-3 weeks and then clear Mythic then
yes actually it does - it provides bad luck protection for people who raid every single week and still never see their BiS trinket drop.
yes, that is exactly it - people should be able to focus on progression instead of farming the first few mythic bosses for loot that never drops.
i can’t tell you how many times my guild had to re-clear mythic aberrus up to rashok for healers that needed his trinket and it never dropped… like instead of spending all of that time reclearing we could have been focusing on mythic sarkareth.
Just take a look at mythic plus tanks right now - there are many tanks who don’t have the cheat-death trinket from dawn of the infinite because it is on a weekly lockout and they have been unlucky…
would be nice if the vengeance DH mythic plus tanks could use their bullion to buy that trinket
ill okay bullions being added if they are literally a drop off the final boss of a raid and have to be rolled on. that way the CE chasers can organise who gets the token first or they can fight over it
or you could add bullions as is but it cant be at a rate of 1 per week, 1 every two weeks maybe or some other item that gives you X amount per boss kill and you turn it into a bullion at a reasonable rate.
bad luck protection should give 1-3 items max per season that isnt fated, but getting literally nearly full bis free before a season ends is absurd
well i’m not asking your permission. one item every two weeks is perfectly reasonable (same as bullions in season 4 DF)
you know what is absurd? killing mythic smolderon 15 times and never seeing the ashes trinket drop from the boss or in your vault
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Just let bullions replace the stupid boxes from timewalking (1) and mythic dungeon (2) week. Boom, suddenly participation in weekly content skyrockets.
They should replace the bullion system with what I call the mail system.
At the beginning of every season, I want my BiS mailed to me at the highest mythic quality ilvl so I can stand in Valdrakken and have others inspect me because it “makes me feel good”. I would stay subbed for this because I can also “finish my goals quickly”.
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can i ask what content you actually do in this game?
mythic plus?
raiding?
pvp?
just collecting things like transmog and mounts?
Absolutely agree. RNG is so bad, more stuff coming from guaranteed drop currency the better. It feels very rewarding earning gear instead of playing the lottery all the time. 2 week seems perfect.
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