I was under the illusion that the BfA catch up system would be mathematically equivalent to Legion. Boy was I wrong once I actually looked at the numbers.
If you invert that (in this example, I’ll use 400 AP since that’s an emissary chest) 400 * (1/0.015028179) = 400 * 66.54 (rounded) = 26616 AP comparatively.
Now, because each AP level has a minimum of 1000 AP that won’t be reduced, here’s where the problem comes in.
At AP Level 0, in the Legion system, completing 1 emissary would grant you AP level 14 (the sum of 1-14 unmodified is 26410). In our new (inferior) system, completing one emissary at AP level 0 is AP level 1.
My proposal is to greatly reduce the minimum amount of AP per level to make the BfA catch up system more equivalent to Legion’s catch up system.
I’d prefer a minimum of 1, but, I’m an idealist. I’d like the systems to be the same, but even 100 AP would be better than where we are now.
I think where your math is wrong is that Artifact Knowledge did not kick in until you hit 110. So you were never getting that much AP at AP level 0. I’m not sure how that would affect the math though.
IIRC, it didn’t, I couldn’t recall if I was AP8 or so when I hit 110. I can adjust it, but the problem of the minimum of 1000 still remains (2.5x emissary).
So, starting after AP 8, it would still take us to 14, but not quite 15 with 1 Emissary. For fun, let’s say we’re 120 @ AP 8 and we do all three emissary chests (79,230 minimum). That takes us all the way to AP 17 (63,360 AP and 69.6% to AP18), where in the BfA system we’d only be AP 9.
It’ll only get worse as the weeks progress because in the current catch up system, 1200 is at most 1.2 AP levels, where in Legion it could be many, many levels.
We’ve known the system was unsustainable since Beta. The higher your content level, the further you push. Which means when the next tier comes out, they need to have things lower level for the low tier stuff and higher for the Mythic raid stuff. Which means each new season stretches the gap further and further.
This is one of many systems that were raised when we first learned what the system entailed. Blizz didn’t listen.
Whatever they’re scrapping it for in 8.2 will be different, but probably no more sound.
-Imagine farming azerite pieces in 8.0
-Now imagine farming those same pieces in 8.1 in the same dungeons, with only 1 new trait but a whole new ring to boost AP requirement
-Now imagine that a person starting in 8.2 simply gets all the traits on azerite armor unlocked
This is what Blizzard have done/are doing. Time-gating ladies and gentlemen. Stay subbed and don’t question it.
It was pretty easy to get your first gold trait in Legion well before 110 by looting a lot of those chests they had hidden around the Broken Isles, especially after you got flight. I always did.
I had a 98 twink with 24 traits. That was NOT easy.
I’m honestly not sure what the best comparison is because the systems are different. My concern is that the catch up mechanism is definitely so much more limiting in BfA than Legion. I remember when I didn’t play Legion for a while on an alt. It was always an AP party once I did a few things. Not so in BfA.
This also doesn’t account for the fact that you do, in fact, lose AP on reset day when the AK goes up.
Yes I know you still have the same percentage of your current level, but AP is awarded at a flat amount, not a percentage of a level. The AP lost will eventually add up to a significant amount unless you make the considerable effort to make sure you go into every single reset day with as little AP towards your next level as possible.
Yeah, I was mostly wondering why my alts didn’t just shoot up the AP ranks from doing 1 or two things and I had to do the math of why. I was really confused until I saw the minimum.
To be fair most of the power in the artifacts we’re end loaded. The +15% to damage for example.
Where as most of the important DPS boosts are front loaded in Azerite gear. Getting Lights Decree at trait circle 1 and getting it stacked 3x is basically increasing my raw output by 3k DPS amd my burst window up to 30k up from 20k.
My problem with all this is. We lose AP every week, which keeps us from getting closer to our goal. I’ll explain.
Let’s say you owe someone $1,000 right? But you’ve paid that person $500 already. You’re 500/1,000 into finishing that debt. If they are so kind as to say, reduce your total debt by 30%, you would only owe $700 at that point. Correct? But you’ve already paid them $500, so you would only owe them an additional $200 to finish your debt to them. They wouldn’t ALSO reduce the amount you’ve paid to them by 30%? That wouldn’t make any sense.
BFA AK is mathematically incorrect from start to finish. And I do not understand how anyone at blizzard failed to see this.
Are you comparing full artifact knowledge at the end of legion to current artifact knowledge? If so…of course it’s inferior…you can’t compare the two until the end of bfa and all artifact knowledge has rolled out.
This is inaccurate you’d owe them less. 500/1000 would go to 350/700 meaning instead of owing them $500 more you would only owe them $350 more. Also they would never do what you are basically proposing as that would mean someone could get a certain amount of ap, then just not gain anymore, and their artifact level would still increase over time.
Edit: nevermind about the first part, I thought you said that $200 additional would be owed. My second point still stands though.
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