The best analogy with respect to 3v3 and Solo Shuffle

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We all have our own opinions on what things really distinguish 3v3 and solo shuffle from one another, things that typically include skill-level requirements, accessibility, voice comms/coordination requirements, ladder integrity, how fast dampening ramps up, etc., but I’ve been noticing an increasing number of 3v3 mains that are of the mindset and/or more or less preaching that the equivalent of 3v3 = chess, while solo shuffle = checkers (or even worse, that 3s players are superior beings of sorts as compared to shuffle players).

Considering the undeniable and significant overlap in skillsets required to succeed in either bracket [e.g., just look at how many of the top 3s players are also the top shuffle players], I find this mindset to be quite hilarious, and really disingenuous.

The best analogy imo is a very simple one.

3v3 = rapid chess

Solo shuffle = blitz chess

It really doesn’t get any simpler than that.

Similar but different skillsets are required to succeed in both, one requires more time and thus more thought/action per round, whereas one is often more chaotic due to the increased time pressure.

I imagine that chess mains have their own squabbles as to what is the “premier” or “most skillful” bracket, but similar to the squabbles concerning 3v3 and shuffle, the FACT is that neither bracket is inherently better than the other.

Each bracket/game mode has aspects that make it more appealing than the other for a given audience.

It is what it is, but one thing is for certain, which is that as a community, we need to stop further dividing ourselves into cliques and then proceeding to insult one another because we don’t prefer the same iteration of the game.

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Modern WoW arena is nothing like chess or any other board game. Closest analogy is that arena in general is like playing games of tic-tac-toe over and over again.

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Tell me you’ve never played a high level game vs an RMP or Jungle without telling me.

You’ve had some very bad takes these last few weeks my guy.

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As long as you know what to do and have played against it a million times, how hard is it?

But, that’s actually how chess is played too. AI robots are beating grandmasters.

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Not really. Just things you don’t agree with.

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I’m more of an Othello or Stratego player.

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I mean at the highest level, e.g., top 1% or less, of course there are many nuances that are lost on the rest of the playerbase, but in the overall scheme of things, and with respect to being applicable to 99+% of the playerbase, the analogy is pretty fair imo, if not spot-on.

Could reference shuffle being with respect to bullet chess maybe, but I don’t feel that the essence of the analogy changes.

The best takes are often the ones that get the most hate :open_mouth:

Epic game, and same :slight_smile:

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3s is agar io

shuffle is slither io

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just wait for the white supremacy (specifically blonde/blue eyed) ones to escape the unmoderated discord

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Luckily we got rid of that when we banned Denounce and bullied Swole into leaving the 'cord :dracthyr_blob_dance_animated:

It’s a very happy server now.

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Some just can’t handle the heat. :dracthyr_comfy_sip:

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I hope Denounce is doing ok. His hatred didn’t strike me as genuine, more like something he said to try and be edgy and then dodecuppled down on because he cared more about being right than being human.

Hopefully the vacation does him some good. :dracthyr_heart:

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This is not an analogy for arena. All levels of arena are complex even if it’s just the basic fundamentals of the game. To us r1s, it’s simple, because we’ve put in thousands of games of learning every individual aspect we can to math it out, and it comes out to be second nature. I agree way more with the chess analogies, simply based on the fact that while gameplay can be scripted, there’s a lot more variability in it. You can react to every situation the same, or you can mix it up and try to force things out differently so that it doesn’t play to a script.

This is also heavily related to execution. Vs RMP, you may have your defensive CDs scripted to x if y, but if the mage is half a second late, there’s variability on if you need to press x for y because now you got z or w. No 2 games will be exactly mirror however, which is very similar to Chess in the massive amounts of ways each game can play out. The only consistency in every game is what each team has available to them as tools. As more abilities/defensives/cds are added, that variability becomes more complex and requires more.

There’s also a bonus factor of RNG. Sometimes a go shouldn’t kill you but they just crit everything so it does. It’s an added layer of complexity.

https://www.twitch.tv/vismvp/clip/BadColorfulTermiteTTours-yyHHEjaV3q8JaZGt?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time Here’s a simple example from me. No world does this go ever happen in a normal game against people I respect. This is purely ego talking, and it worked. All of it is heavily based on RNG, and the fact that the enemy team just chose not to do anything about it.

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This is exactly why I hate when people say “go dk.” Like, I understand the concept, but watching people play and them not changing their game play to adapt to variables is incredibly annoying.

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Yeah like this one game I leaped into this sham/healer and stood there and they hit me and just let their feral die instead of actually adapting, they hit the first red thing on the screen

They probably weren’t even aware of what their teammate was doing

Shuffle is all about outsmarting your opponents

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I do love when I get low and a dps chases me to try to finish me off only to get stunned behind a pillar.

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Shuffle is a pick up game at the rec where everyone is just trying to run down the court and score on their own.

3v3 is a coordinated team game where people are passing, setting pick and rolls, and working together.

If you’re good at 3’s it’s easy to transition those skills to shuffle. The opposite is much less true.

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Lies. There’s people who do well in shuffle and decide that they’re really good at the game and get glad with an 81% win rate. :dracthyr_a1:

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True. Some of them just fly up the ladder.

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Well obviously I give warm wishes but that thread really brought some hate front and center. I don’t really consider myself part of the arena community nor would I want to be after that fiasco.