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You’re the one the posted the Wall of No Ziryus, it was not me that did that.

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And? Where it does they say they lost the code?

It says the old code doesn’t work anymore, which is entirely true and was at the time.

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Then why did YOU post that in your wall of no?

The entire point of this Ziryus is that simply put… YOU don’t know, you were wrong before and you’re wrong again.

They have the Code Ziryus, I know how these things work. Code has more duplicates that a virus has copies.

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Yes… and neither I nor blizzard ever claimed they didn’t have the code :slight_smile:

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lol not his Wall. and that does not say they lost the code, and also is not a direct quote, so again, like I said, they never said that, people just twisted things they did say.

Nothing to figure out, just trying to correct your misunderstanding.

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Then why would you put that in the wall of No back on the old forums?? Seriously that’s very misleading given you responded with that to shut some guy down…

It’s not like you were quoting some one either, that’s either a copy and paste job by you meaning YOU fully endorse all that’s there or you’re the one that authored it…

Either way man, this is not government work we’re doing here; this is the internet and it does not forget.

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which is fine, but it still does not say what you think it does either.

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Ironically it’s actually not in there.

I didn’t see “lost the code” anywhere in that post.

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You’re looking for Exact words just like a Lawyer…

/shakes head in pity.

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So are you by looking thing synonyms are the same thing :disappointed_relieved:

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Let’s look at the the entire paragraph in question.

  1. The original game code does not exist in that form anymore. All the old data has been replaced, with the newer data which was not saved (archived) for later reuse. It was over-written and destroyed. “There is no switch to flip on the realms to roll back years of patches and changes…” In keeping with the sentiment in expressed in #2, above, it’s gone, never to return. Even if it were “recoverable” by other means it would still require lengthy and expensive rewrite.

In speaking of production and test systems all this is entirely true. There is no instant win switch here, the basic code while it might exist is not usable in a real world setting, something we’re clearly seeing in testing.

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You’re actually backing me up right now and thank you…

They have not misplaced the Code, they have all the original code all the way back into Beta… Nothing goes missing at a software company, it just does not happen.

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You are the one implying blizzard lied or at least acted in bad faith, back it up.

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Ziryus, I have worked at a few different companies over the years and never once have I ever seen a software engineer ever misplace even a single copy of anything coded. It just does not happen, it’s a fact of the trade.

The only time code goes missing is when you have a major upset while in the midst of working on a project and that’s something that can typically be avoided by playing it safe.

I’ll say it again, Code does not go missing, it just doesn’t because programmers and software engineers are that meticulous.

To top this off, Data center employees are also very meticulous, they do not misplace code, they do not over-write old code to save media.

If you think Blizzard a multi million, nay; Billion dollar company is going to save a buck by over writing old code then you’re out of your mind.

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of course we can also just point to something we know Blizzard actually said something about the code,the Nost meeting, and they said they had the code.

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See this is my point, you have some people saying blizzard states the older code is gone while others claim blizzard says it does…

I know how software gets stored, I know that it does not just go missing… EVER…

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And i have never seen blizzard claim they misplaced it, kind of like what you would expect from the dollar value companies you claim to understand.

What they have consistently said is that it would be a lot of work to make that old code work in a modern setting, which if you don’t understand makes me think you never worked in a real tech setting.

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But Blizzard never said that,lol, thats a fact , not a claim.
What is being lost here, when Blizzard has actually said anything about the code they have never said they ‘lost’ it.

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Ziryus for the saving of time I am addressing you too…

I think you’re missing the mark a bit my friend. There was a certain developer that specifically stated that the code from the older versions of Classic is missing… I am not making that up, I will see if I can find it.

This is from the development panel I believe, this is not from long ago before the development cycle, but from Blizzcon or something.

In their official statment they even elude to going back to WC3 base code used in Vanilla from 1997…

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/world-of-warcraft/22646759/restoring-history-creating-wow-classic-panel-recap

However in some interview somewhere that I cannot presently locate they did indeed say they did not have data from early Vanilla…

That’s what I am specifically calling BS on…

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At Blizzcon they said they had source code going back to 1997, and all the changes since. So they can look at the changes and undo them. But database data and art assets only back to 1.12.

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