The AV 6 min Drek rush

Stompinwin-kromcrush · January 21, 2020, 1:38pm

lol you dont realize a 6 min game for us then 40 minutes in queue nets 3000 honor an hour; a 30 min game with that queue nets 6-8k an hour that is why we wont roll over dead or play your bad meta; I’ll give you the solution to this problem once I hit rank 14…

Celldweller-heartseeker · January 21, 2020, 1:38pm

Kirthgersen:

Sariff:

How long is this going to be ignored by Blizzard? I had high hopes for Classic and so far I am really enjoying it, but with this being the norm makes me really worried for how things will be with classic in the future.

The Alliance pre-made rush relies on the horde fragmenting around the map and letting the Alliance get to the Horde base as a coordinated group.

What you need is a defensive spot that has one thoroughfare only, preferably supported by tower archers with a graveyard (with defenders up) tucked nicely behind it to allow dead players to rejoin the defense team rapidly. Also, what would be nice would be that a second tower is not too far back from said spot allowing more archer damage if any do get through. And the icing on the cake would be if you could step out of your start cave and pretty much be able to be in position to heavily defend said spot in 20-30 seconds.

I had heard of such a mythical spot but, according to many, apparently it is not on the map.

You ever tried to herd cats?

Because that’s what you’re trying to do with a horde PuG.

Sariff-mankrik · January 22, 2020, 8:37am

Canttouchdis:

I completed my entire AV grind to Exalted on alliance side in single que pugs for two reasons. The first is that I know full well that alliance premades are skewing the pvp rankings for anyone not in the premades and causing “dropped que” games where alliance start horribly undermanned because only 20 of the premade ppl got into the same game so they drop the que and retry. Secondly, because the “premades” running on alliance side are primarily just pugs with comms as most are saying and as a veteran vanilla pvper the 7 minute zerg with no ability to adapt when thwarted sickens me.

That being said, there are some things that are not being discussed in real terms here due to completely 1 sided opinions. So here is a reality check. Horde que times are 30-40 minutes and alliance que times are instant, why? because horde have way way way more people queing than alliance in general. Now why would that be you ask? well I can tell you why, because the vast majority of people coming back for classic have a greater understanding of game mechanics than they did the first time around and so the vast majority of pvpers rolled horde this time around for the superior racial talents. Alliance premades did not cause the long ques, horde turtling does not cause the long ques, the only thing that causes long ques for horde is the sheer number of you queing as opposed to how many alliance que. This will never change unless faction changes are offered.

Now for some real facts about the AV landscape itself. Yes, drek can be pulled and the wm’s can be glitched, this is a fact. The other fact is that our marshals line up like good little boys along the back wall with vann and vann can be pulled and killed in a corner of the room while 2-3 marshals stand there and watch. Neither side has a flawless setup and the exploits can be used on either faction so long as the group in play knows how to exploit them.

2 true advantages do exist for horde however, one being the easy access back door to dun baldar which makes our bridge entirely obsolete, the other is that the horde starting area is simply closer to mid than the alliance one, allowing horde to cut us off there almost every game (mind you a lot of this is because alliance don’t stick together nearly as well as horde pugs)

So bottom line here, you are all idiots looking at this from a single perspective when in reality, 99% of the problem with AV right now in classic is literally because of how many pvpers rolled horde for classic. Everything else is just petty squabbles and people flinging blame cause they are pissed off at the current state of things.

SOLUTION!!! every horde reading this post either un-subs or re-rolls alliance. kthxbye!

Make it so Drek and Vann will not spawn unless thier warmasters or marshals are dead.
Remove the numbers so you don’t know which BG you are joining.
Make it so that if you leave a queue you have deserter debuff.

There are a lot of problems with AV, like horde MUST kill a lot of the NPCs around Vann’s keep. They are all over the place and its virtually impossible to not aggro them. Also, the db towers must be addressed by horde. We cant just run past them and carry on because of the NPC we have to kill. Those towers shred us. Alliance doent have to worry about the horde towers at all.

There are things wrong in AV that give advantage to both sides. The things I listed would take care of many of the issues.

Kirthgersen-arugal · January 22, 2020, 9:38am

When you have a herd of cats and one saucer of milk it’s easy. When you have a herd of cats and no milk, you have the alliance side

Celldweller-heartseeker · January 22, 2020, 1:54pm

Ain’t no saucer of milk

Blunttrama-whisperwind · January 22, 2020, 2:12pm

LMFAO at hordes crying about 6 minute drek rush…

I guess you guys didnt actually play vanilla and TBC…

That is what AV was 6-10 minute rush to drek/vann.
pull and all in and win or loose.

normally we were geting reports on the health the other generals health.

6-10 minutes IS WHAT AV SHOULD BE …
not 30 minute turtle fudging …

Kirthgersen-arugal · January 23, 2020, 2:49am

The saucer of milk is IB…

Sariff-mankrik · January 23, 2020, 4:13am

You played vanilla in a different dimension than I did. This never happened in vanilla. 6 min AV finish? Nope not a single time did this ever happen. 15-20 min were the fast matches. I ranked to 11 on vanilla. I spent a LOT of time in AV.

Sinelius-proudmoore · January 23, 2020, 5:01am

Whatever happened to #NOCHANGES thing? This strategy is not griefing nor is it impossible to stop. You simply have to run over and fight them off preventing them from getting to drek’s room. Eventually it will kill their motivation and fall apart.

Shaedra-bloodsail-buccaneers-676107 · January 23, 2020, 5:30am

They don’t do that. They just teleport back instantly.

Suraknar-deviate-delight · January 23, 2020, 5:40am

Sorry t break it to you but that was like only the last 3 months of vanilla before TBC.

Before that AV was truly an EPIC battleground to play. 25 minutes was the fast AV 45 minutes was the norm and sometimes 2-3 hours can happen often.

The truly hard fights lasted longer.

My longest ever which was amazing started on a Friday night and ended on Saturday afternoon. I fought in that AV for 19 hours my friend…

Some people went to bed and found themselves in the same battle the next day.

But the few of us who decided to do the all nighter in that battle was truly intense. All Summons expended, 5 times did we go back and forth from horde base to alliance base pushing each-other.

That was the AV that I was hoping to play again in Classic!

Valinia-skeram · January 23, 2020, 5:42am

You always have to remember that you are asking for help from the devs that created BFA and will now prolly sink the titanic shadowloands expansion as well.

This isnt the original blizz dev team. If you demand changes like little cry babies they might actually do it and given their trackrecord, just make it worse.

Unless its a simple honor adjustment, do not let them touch the game please.

Celldweller-heartseeker · January 23, 2020, 6:08am

Feel free to test your herding capabilities as a PUG horde and get back to me