Yea I won’t bother til I have a 100% mount and can join a premade… then out again once horde figure out the map is their saviour (but it seems to be taking them a looooong time 
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Premade won’t take you with slow mount.
Blame that on your own kind. If they weren’t queue dodging all day maybe your guildie would be able to actually play the game.
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not sure why you speak about private server experience ? because i don’t consider my self a private server player , for playing on lighthope 3 week , before the release of classic this out of the way , with all respect im not agree classic dont give a authentic vanilla experience because some npc behaviour , also i never experience this type of raining in vanilla also i never see in vanilla a rank 14 player grinding in AV lolol ect,,, im agree player dont play the same way , in my opinion player dont play to have fun these day , and try to be the best and fail miserably using a bunch of addon bot afk and min to max multibox ect, and trying to exploiting bug , and the issue with av is 110% this
sure in vanilla not all bug are discover that why some are not fix , in my opinion both faction need to have the same systemfor the minion and boss , in my opinion is sad to be a alliance player these day because they look only to rely for some bug and exploit to win something ,
btw i never experience 5 min av in vanilla for sure this dont give me a vanilla experience and in my opinion this dont give a true vanilla experience to the player of this generation
Horde can actually get to Vann faster than we can get to Drek with the backdoor jump, and they can do the same strat of pulling all the Warmasters outside by having a Mage use a LIP. You could also just accept the 6-10 minute loss and get as many side objectives as possible and you’d get basically the same honor as us instead of losing with 400-900 honor at 20-30 minutes. Horde also has premade AV discords, which are less convenient than the Alliance ones for sure, but it’s not like most Alliance “premades” are anything more than a PUG with voice communication.
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While I do not claim to know what others consider fun or not, I don’t think the point of Rank grinding is “fun” per se, but rather to be very focused on honor per hour, over a long period of time.
An interesting thing is, that some people (myself included) don’t find AV fun. I do find WSG fun though. Thankfully, all the issues you describe that go along with ranking are relatively isolated to AV, which I don’t play for fun, and wouldn’t play for fun.
It may not be relevant to you, in particular, but I suspect that a lot of people saying “Vanilla” really mean Private Servers, because not many people have memories that are crystal clear about gameplay that have not been affected by other biases over the past 15 years. Also, because Private Server server-side code, which includes spell behavior, etc. was written from scratch, independently of Blizzard Proprietary code, and developed by 10s or hundreds or more of developers, contributing 10s or hundreds of thousands of lines of not-Blizzard code.
There are many, many factors that could be taken into consideration that would effect whatever “a true vanilla experience” may mean. Some of those factors are in the control of Blizzard, some of course, are not.
I’d be curious as to what you think among the factors that are in the control of Blizzard could be improved over what we currently have, and how that might be implemented.
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to answer you
1- maybe just playing and enjoying what the game have to offer and maybe not skipping 95% of the game content and limited your self to 1 think , already you admit to dont have fun and i have to admit also i`m agree grinding the honor rank is very painful and maybe more for the horde because this exploit make 5 to 6 min av and after i have to wait 30 min for the next av i guess the good side i have the time to take a bath and cook food lol , something alliance dont have 
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2- i understand , why i remember vanilla so much is because i stop playing in bc a lot of wow og are really piss all item and achievement from mc bwl aq naxx become useless in bc and green item level 64 beat the classic gear, i also dislike the flying mounts this is a way to skip the game in my opinion
BC are the time where the epic are not epic anymore so much epic free ,
3- in my opinion 90% are in the control of blizzard , this just depend if blizzard want to make the job done or not and if they have the talent to make it ,
the game need minior tweaks to give us a vanilla experience , they just have to work on the honor distribution for every objective , and fixing the exploit , they just have to link the minion to the boss and boss or minion have yard limitation to be pull exemple the boss have to stay in the room and maybe 100 yard to 200 yard extra for the minion ,same stuff for both faction , because now is broken to allow monster to be kite from america to russia 
Horde will not be satisfied till they win 100% of all games apparently
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Sounds like the problem will fix itself over time as more and more horde quit or reroll
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I came for some horde tears and was not disappointed
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typical horde mentality on display
6 minutes is all it takes. It’s enough for me to get the job done
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AV has been like this for nearly a decade.
It is basically the strat of retail AV.
People who are playing Retail and now Classic should’ve expected 6MIN Drek Rush.
It is an achievement meta for goodness sake.
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This is a player-created problem. It’s pretty annoying… The only time I win an AV is if I’m lucky enough to get a queue with a premade group that does this. Otherwise I have to hope to grab some honor from actual pvp or from a group of folks killing the lieutenants.
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This strat is so easy to beat. Why you are crying to. Blizzard to help you win is beyond me when Horde already win most games and easily counter the pally pull.
You’re so full of crap.
90% Horde wins out of over 1,000 AV’s… yeah, ok.
I’ve played hundreds of AV’s and at least 1/4 of them have been zerg rushes that are over within 10 minutes.
I’ve had days where I played 4-5 games or more in a row that were sub 10-minute zerg rushes. You’re full of crap claiming it was the same group.
Alliance probably won 60% of the games total I’ve played, but they won almost every game that was a < 10 zerg rush… they games that lasted at least 15 minutes have been about 50-50.
The biggest issue that you alliance seem to forget is that, the point of taking towers/objectives is to add a buffer to the end boss. ie: make it harder to just run in and kill the last boss. The pally kite exploit disregards any work that was done by the other faction, thereby making the layout and idea of the entire BG irrelevant.
It wont die. Plenty of people around who don’t hate themselves enough to get suckered into ranking.
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The honor per hour is terrible for horde. I don’t know why alliance keeps saying this. I had some amazing games this morning at about 6.5k each and then ran into one of these waste of time “elite” rank 10+ groups and got 2k due to them defending lieutenants and commanders now. HPH is great for you guys but sucks for us. Please stop saying it’s good. It is how it is, it’s just the luck of the draw if a horde player gets into one of these wastes of time, a good game or the worst - the game in progress.
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Its not a paladin and/or mage exploit. Its using your class abilities creatively. Exploits are like WSG where you could move to a spot and hide where you were un reachable without using the exploit. There is a huge difference.
Every person’s experience is different. I can sit here and say I join AV and lose every AV that is not a pre-made because the horde do defend in mid, recall, and use IBGY. Am I wrong? NOPE. Its just the experience and data i have.
And of course by losing those consistently I went to the pre-made channel where we win about 80% of the games I am in. Its by far not a 100%.
Based on that limited experience I would say Blizzard has the statistics that are showing horde may have longer Q times but are winning more. So there going to do nothing. Working as intended.
There are some options:
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Put AV 1.5 back in. Hard to run around stuff and zerg with all the mines. You need to kill the mine layer and that takes time and does not remove existing mines. I would also like Elite tower archers, Elite people in Mine, Rich Thorium Nodes, Shreder etc.
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Allow free faction change to alliance to balance the population out.
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