Mythic raiders are so fragile lol.
I donât find it reasonable to accuse the OP for posting on an alt.
Many top guilds can be really strict, and babbling publicly can easily get you kicked out of the guild you worked so hard to get in.
William S. Gosset, one of the greatest statistician of all times, was smart enough to publish all his findings in pseudonym âStudentâ while he was employed by Guinness. Some of his colleagues werenât so smart, and were booted and lost their jobs for talking too much in the public.
Any demands that Mr. âStudentâ should disclose his true name (before retiring from Guinness) can be safely ignored, because such demands are not adding value to the discussion, but rather seeking to bring troubles to the author personally.
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Ya is unfortunate, mee snd my guild were hoping too get it but ehh oh welll. Get as far as we can before its gone.
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imagine NOT even raiding mythic and being condescending towards people who canât complete mythic raids.
Is your IQ like -40?
Maybe if you could do better then a 4% jailer parse your guild will not take so long to kill things lol. Whats it like to get hard carried like that?
Also like I said, look at how fragile you are, I never was condescending, simply pointed out new content was needed and you had a mental breakdown about it.
Imagine posting on alt thinking you are relevant. Shoo youâre irrelevant.
Imagine thinking your relevant because you play wow lol.
The DH here may not be using the kindest approach to share his thoughts, but I agree with him. I understand that the raid has been difficult, but that cannot be changed now. On the flip side I have heard arguments made that the difficulty should remain this way. Even proposals that the best gear should come from
Heroic and only Titles and cosmetics should be rewarded for mythic in order to separate the best players from the casual ones separating players only by skill and making sure that all gear is accessible to most players. I donât raid so I donât have a dog in this I just thought it was an interesting perspective.
Quite frankly, if you canât kill a mythic end boss in 8 months time, how âcutting edgeâ are you really? If itâs the content that you want to finish, and not the achievement, then try it again with the next tiers gear. Apparently itâs been nerfed to the ground over and over again already. As much as you may want the achievement at all costs, I canât imagine that participation trophies will keep
People interested.
Weâve had 5 months for Sepulcher, not 8. We all THOUGHT weâd be getting 8 months considering a) CN/SoD and b) Sepulcher difficulty.
Also thatâs irrelevant because guilds donât raid the same amount of hours per week. A guild that raids 12 hours/week gets double the pull count of a guild that only raids 6.
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your replies indicate that your IQ is indeed sub 20, I shall be the bigger man.
Fair enough, but your kind of saying it yourself here⌠some guilds donât put in the same amount of time and effort as others and therefore donât get rewarded the same. Itâs the nature of the beast is it not? Itâs a strange angle for a complaint. If you canât be hardcore thatâs cool too. I canât raid because I canât dedicate the time, so I canât get the achievement. I canât get 285 tier or weapons. Thatâs how the game is designed, and im aware of that. Iâm also aware that Iâm not entitled to any of those things without putting in the time and effort that others have done to get them. Im content with that. If you canât raid a lot, or guild mates have real life responsibilities that keep them from playing as much as other guilds then that will reflect your end result.
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Iâm with you on this. Mythic is the career raider tier. People who raid it like theyâre being paid for it(in some cases they are). Iâm content with doing heroic in the snail pace we did and also understand mythic is out of my reach.
Thereâs a few concepts youâre conflating.
First, guilds that raid for a shorter amount of time arenât necessarily putting in less effort; while they may all be online and in the raid for X hours, during the time theyâre not raiding theyâre still able to put in effort that will contribute to raid time, e.g. strategising, looking up alternate strats, theorycrafting, if not things like seeking out upgrades in alternative modes, etc. Their actual time in raid might just be much more âorganisedâ and âhardcoreâ than a guild that is ostensibly raiding for a longer period of time.
Second, a guild that raids less time than another guild can still straight up be better than a guild that is âprogressing fasterâ by virtue of throwing more bodies/time at the raid. It does do a disservice to imply that time is the main relevant factor, and if you canât put in X time, you might as well not even bother. Thatâs usually the point of raid tiers being a certain length; it should allow the people who are good, but raid less to have the appropriate time to finish the raid. In a case like this where the time has been shortened significantly, and the raid itself was admittedly (from Blizzardâs angle) overtuned, thatâs not a factor of how âthe game was designedâ or playersâ âentitlementâ or ânot being committed enoughâ.
Lastly, and connecting to that, changing the goalposts makes the insinuation that someone might not be hardcore enough, or âcutting edgeâ enough a bit more ludicrous. On that side, even Blizzard is coming out and saying that completion is much lower this tier than any previous tier. Even after nerfing/gutting bosses (as recently as just now), it is going to take SOME time for guilds especially on limited time to actually pull/kill those nerfed bosses, itâs not logical to expect bosses have been merged, therefore a guild can just NOW dump 20+ hours to make a shortened arbitrary timeframe*. If a guild can have maintained a specific schedule and gotten Cutting Edge in any other raid tier (and potentially actually has - since guilds have been getting Cutting Edge with 2-night, or 3-night schedules for a long time now), theyâve certainly already proven they can be good enough to rise to the meaningful challenge. Changing the rules/timeframe by now shunking off a bunch of time, while youâre still doing nerfs (and by extension admitting overtuning), and then casting doubt on their ability/effort is at best questionable, if not patently unreasonable.
*Unless theyâve basically made them oneshots that a guild who was on Anduin before can pretty much break through to Jailer in a few hours this week, I guess.
Youâre missing the entire point of this thread.
We have 2 less months to complete a raid that was more difficult and with one more boss than the 2 previous raids.
Thatâs what my guild is mostly upset about. We planned our schedule around the previous 2 raids of this expansion. We got CE in both Nathria and SoD, at 3-4 weeks before it ended (maybe more? I have 5 mythic Sylvanas kills and we might have skipped a week there as well), and would most likely have gotten it in Sepulcher if they kept a similar schedule.
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While SotFO could stand to be a little longer, CN and SoD lengths were NOT normal and shouldnât be used as a starting point.
They were significantly longer than the 4.5-5.5 month raid tier length that normally happens.
bleeding edge of progression is unstable. thatâs why others donât get there ever. Itâs hard to operate even in optimal conditions when youâre that high elite.