The alliance should have supported the Scarlet Brotherhood

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Were I leader of the orcs, I wouldn’t let my race die just because the night elves think they’re as important as trolls do. They’re ancient and they’re wrong about their land rights because they can’t defend them. Ashenvale is orc land. It could’ve remained nelf land, if nelves offered to sell lumber at decent prices. They did not. Nelves want it all. They’re greedier than orcs are. Orcs at least live in a :poop: desert. Nelves claim most of Kalimdor as “their land.”

Now they suffer for their greediness, as they should.

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I guess at least one person subscribes to Ëlësåna’s posts.

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This is nothing new from me, Amadis. I’ve subscribed to Ashenvale being orc land since vanilla. I used to camp nelves who went there, even.

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I subscribe to Ashenvale not having been Orc land ever. And have Master of Warsong Gulch for that matter.

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Oh man, not me. God do I hate instanced pvp. Takes me out of the experience.

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I hate PvP in general. My reaction time is not fast enough for when dealing with real people. But there was a rep to grind, and so I happened to get it by chance as I worked towards the Justicar title.

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I want Khan so bad, but apparently not bad enough to earn the last bit of rep for it.

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That would be an impressive title, but I don’t think there are any reps connected to those battlegrounds, so thankfully I have been spared it.

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I mean they could defend it. They just are not allowed to by the writers because worfing the Kaldorei is how they show how terrible and big and bad the Horde is.

They just have done it so many times it has lost any trace of the intended narrative effect.

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They wouldn’t have to defend it if they sold their literally free lumber for decent prices.

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…problem here being they see trees as sacred, not common building materials they just sell by bulk.

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And the Night Elves always kick the Horde out again any way. Like, everything the Warsong or Garrosh ever tried never worked out, and the Night Elves even fought the Horde back in the mission table missions in BfA.

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Varian Wrynn did it. Then the player did it (who could be a night elf. Mine was a Dwarf.) Then Varian did it again. And now no one’s done it, unless the missions tables are upheld. They could be. I don’t know if they will be though. I certainly didn’t read the mission table missions. I don’t know if Blizzard expects the average player to. We’ll assume it’s true for the purpose of this conversation, though.

The night elves have done it a grand total of once.

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They also made the Kaldorei a bit dumb and inept at battle planning several times to prop up Varian while they were working to sell him as high king. The infamous “A Little Patience” quest line was the most direct example of this.

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The Night Elves fixed Varian like they fixed the Worgen, so I’d give the Night Elves credit for Varian’s wins. And the Night Elves gave the player experience and helped them get stronger, so I’d give the Night Elves credit for that, too.

So sounds like four times to me.

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The Horde: Defeats the Night elves.
Varian Wrynn: Arrives and defeats the Horde.

The Horde: Defeats the Night elves.
The Player: Arrives and defeats the Horde.

Garrosh’s False Horde: Defeats the Night elves.
The Horde and the Alliance: Defeats Garrosh’s False Horde.
Varian Wrynn: Forces the Horde to give up Ashenvale.

The Horde: Defeats the Night elves.
The Player’s Mission Table Soldiers, one of which being a Night elf: Arrive and defeats the Horde.

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Getting stalled in stalemate isn’t defeating. Sounds like a even more victories for the Night Elves in this light.

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In any of these examples, did the night elves defeat the Horde without help?

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Did any of those that helped the Night Elves do so without the help of the Night Elves?

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Varian, the player, and the Horde’s mission table if you don’t use Shandris.