The Alliance should be an aggressor

We should get a set of campaigns for the future expac that pushes the Alliance into a more militaristic and aggressive attempt at expansion at the expense of the Horde and Neutral factions. (No actual borders should really change, instead going more towards Vanilla WoW’s cold war status of small skirmishes and building tensions)

Let the Gilneans be taken by a sense of revanchism. Seek to rebuild Gilneas, then try to push on into Silverpine and Hillsbrad. If they already haven’t. I don’t really pay much attention to Worgen.

Let the Dark Irons push their young emperor’s claims to Ironforge and seek a political marriage within Wildhammer society to unite the dwarven people into one empire. Then seek to re-institute indentured servitude contracts and outright chattel slavery of prisoners and debtors. Hiring corsairs to harass and kidnap anyone they can ransom or send to the mines to put pressure on trade lanes.

Do the Night Elves even need more reasons to be aggressive?

The Humans of Stormwind and High Elves try to maintain neutrality while Stromgarde is forced to aid Gilneas to avoid getting isolated if the war goes hot again (Which it shouldn’t)

There really isn’t any true grudge or sense of justice. It really boils down to nations and guilds pushing for wars while the mercs and merchants profit and the poor get caught up in the propaganda or crushed in the war machine.

9 Likes

If the Alliance becomes an aggressor in the same way the Horde often is (no, warchiefs becoming raid bosses afterward doesn’t erase it), it’ll just mean I don’t like either faction in the game.

No thanks.

7 Likes

I’d be ok with this.

3 Likes

Imma Keel you!

Wait no, we need to work together for this…

Ok now imma keel you again!

Oh wait, need to cooperate again for this…

okay back to: Imma keel you!

9 Likes

Never going to happen. The alliance must be the big good. If you want to play the bad guy, Horde is right here.

2 Likes

I would love it if Turalyon became a dungeon or raid boss which we can kill for loot :slight_smile:

1 Like

I dunno, the horde got dragged into being the bad guys in BfA without fighting back and i’m worried the lesson wasn’t learned.

1 Like

If Yrel and her army rock up, the Alliance may very well become the aggressors, even to their own!

1 Like

No high elves in the alliance, what are you talking about?

1 Like

Nah, I’m gonna pass

This would have been cool during the faction war era. Too late for this now.

Although the alliance does need more balls. The leader should be a rogue, or maybe a warrior.

1 Like

Why? The faction war is stupid at this point.

2 Likes

They should – Have been the aggressor in BFA.

When the players rolled their eyes and begged for the Horde to not be the aggressor again, stating they’re outright sick of it — Blizzard responded by pretty much pulling their own pants down and flopping a big lie right in the players faces and told them to drink up.

Why am I so crude about this?

Because it pisses me off how they consistently lied, and gorged so much lore in the process. I thought BFA was bad, but Shadowlands was even worse to what it did to the story content.

Much of the aspects & features I use to love about this game they desecrated to pat their own egos and justify their own stupid decisions, despite making them even worse in the process by doing such.

“The kick off of BFA will be MoRaLlY gReY” — Tsch, yeah right. :roll_eyes:
… Not to mention they didn’t even apologise for lying to the players.

So when massive amounts of people, content creators, former players and even communities who haven’t played their games say that they don’t trust Blizzard — Honestly, who could blame them.


On a positive note:

I will say that Dragonflight has been pretty decent, in both gameplay and lore.

Sure it’s not mind-boggling, but after the last expansion as many content creators have pointed out – What the game needs is an expansion that’s a grower, not a shower. Which is needed to both restore the foundations of the game, potentially undoing various messes Shadowlands mostly did to the lore — and continue on towards a better story & gameplay together.

4 Likes

DF isn’t bad but it doesn’t feel like much of it matters to me, if that makes sense. Yes, there are the primalists and djaradin causing shenanigans but there’s too much inconsequential content, proportionally speaking.

Its hard to take things seriously when half the NPCs we’re working with are approaching it like a vacation. They’re not here to wage wars or save the planet; they’re just taking pretty pictures and playing at being archaeologist interns.

3 Likes

Would have been more interesting then what we got.

:100:

Even if the factions were like, manipulated by remnant survivors of the Twilight’s Hammer for the first major events – but by the time they discovered it, other atrocious warfronts had been applied & new tensions arisen that were not so easy to dismiss.

THAT would have been morally grey.

Yeah, but as I said –

And as one of the devs pointed out, it gets kinda ridiculous with one world ending / cosmos threat after another – Which is another reason to why they had the time-skip, which I feel was a wise move.

2 Likes

Not a good idea. Better solution:

Republic City-like setting (Legend of Korra), struggles and race wars within.

Sinks a civilian ship to protect their kidnapping of a neutral character on a mission of peace
Abducts civilians and burns their caravans
Mows down drowning soldiers with cannon fire
Invades and despoils indigenous lands to dig up titan garbage
Wipes out a civilian hunting village
Enslaves civilians to build a military base

Alliance seems pretty aggressive already, hmm?

2 Likes

This is non-canon, as much as the parallel event in Stormsong Valley, where Horde-players kill women and children in a misogynistic raid on a city.

It’s in the game, and thus definitely canon. Diminish my peoples’ suffering some more.

2 Likes