I’ma need a source on that. Every time Ashenvale has been referenced that I can remember it’s been contested territory. It was once (back before cata and vanilla) nelf territory sure.
But once wow hit and the horde needed wood it’s been contested.
Teldrassil is a 1-10 zone.
Darkshore was a 8-15 zone until it was changed to a 10-60 zone in Legion.
Darnassus is the capital city of the Night Elves inside the Teldrassil starter zone.
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Basically, yes. Stormwind might be a capital city but it sits in Elwyn Forest. Same for Teldrassil. Teldrassil sits in the middle of the ocean but is considered part of Dark Shore.
Just because you can click on SW, doesn’t mean it’s not part of Elwyn Forest.
So if I watch this video again is he going to state flatly that the alliance is now winning the war or is that something you “intepreted”? Save me some time if you could clarify that.
Also, can we stop obsessing about boats for a minute?
I don’t know because I’ve never seen quotes or numbers that show what the population of each race is. Not all dwarves are on the alliance. Pretty sure draenei don’t all fall under the alliance either. Not all humans in Azeroth either. We would have to sift through a ton of information to maybe guess which side has more bodies, but even then it wouldn’t be accurate.
Also, I already noted that the killing night elves event wasn’t something I was even considering, but I’d like to note that the night elves killed weren’t just at teldrassil. There were dead night elves littering the ground at Astranaar (if I remember correctly). They would respawn, the forsaken rogues would pop up and kill them, etc. We can’t accurately measure how many night elves were killed or horde there.
This is why I don’t bring number of forces or soldiers into it because we cannot accurately measure anything there unless they give us numbers. In the cinematic Genn and anduin discuss how they have lost so many soldiers “they’ll be sending farmers out next”, but I didn’t use that because we don’t know how many soldiers were lost or how many are left.
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Mists of Pandaria
With the dismantlement of Warchief Garrosh Hellscream’s war machine and the conclusion of the Siege of Orgrimmar and the Alliance-Horde war, Tyrande Whisperwind allowed the Horde unimpeded access to Azshara’s lumber in return for the complete withdrawal of Horde forces from Ashenvale. The results of this were never seen.
Source: https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ashenvale
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You ask me for a source and when I give it to you, you don’t even watch it and ask me to “re-quote” him, which I already did?
This has to be the biggest joke that I have ever seen.
Crawl back into your echo chamber.
Coming from a guy who did not even know Teldrassil was the Night Elf starter zone that is pretty rich.
Have you ever opened a map in your game and actually checked?
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I’ve already watched it. You quoted him about boats being destroyed (which you seem to be desperately clinging to at this point) but you didn’t quote him stating that the alliance are winning. I’m going to go watch it again, he’s gonna say the thing about the fleet, then I’m gonna come back and state that nowhere did he say that alliance are winning. That’s where I’m guessing this will end up and I wanted to save myself the time of double checking, but alright here we go.
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https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/hyjal/zylenar
No. I clearly didn’t. 
Keep throwing those Ad Hominem’s. Since that’s all you are good for.
You said Teldrassil is the Stormwind of Elwynn Forest for Darkshore.
Well humans start in Elwynn forest.
Do Night Elves start in Darkshore?
Seems to me someone messed up and mixed up Teldrassil with Darnassus and can’t admit they were wrong.
Saving this in case you try to edit your mistake.
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Fair enough I can admit when I’m wrong. But if your whole argument is that alliance lost 3 zones and a city, the horde did too.
We lost the underity, we lost the zone around it (for the life of me I can’t remember what it’s called, I haven’t played an undead in 4+ years…) And we lost silver pine Forest. Idk if arathi was officially ours or not, but we had our forces booted out until the warfront from there too.
In BFA the horde has done nothing but lose. Both sides recognize that, like I said in my first post here: even Nathan admits we are losing and doesnt know what to do next.
The alliance is winning, and they don’t have a leg to stand on to try and say they are losing this expansion…
So you claim that Horde having almost zero naval military and all the facts I already quoted, as “Alliance not winning the war”? Let’s have a debate over YOUR definition of “winning”. And if posts from Alliance players is anything to do by, specifically the topic “How would you see Teldrassil repaid?”- Then it’s easy to assume that the Alliance’s definition of “Winning” is either
- Complete dismantling of the Horde and all assets given to the Alliance (aka bias in a two faction game).
- The Alliance given power over the Horde and thus, they elect said warchief etc etc but Horde lands have to be occupied (again, bias in a two faction game because the Horde would no longer be independent).
When do you ever see other opinions? You don’t.
So YOUR definition of winning, would be the complete destruction of the Horde and laying claim to their lands and with that fact alone, there is no way to win a biased argument. Those are not “winning conditions”. That’s straight up biased mentality, in favor of Alliance.
Again, proving, that it’s not winning that the Alliance wants. Because a win is a win. No matter if it’s troops/military, naval etc. You want an extreme that takes away from one faction and gives to the other. Aka prejudice in favor of one group, at the expense of another. Which is the very definition of bias.
losing a few ships doesnt compare to losing an entire city and all the lands surrounding it.
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Now I know you are a troll. Go away.
Nothing much is know at all about what happened to Trisfall Glades and Silverpine.
There are some mission tables which give us some clue but they are far from canon.
Mission Tables on the Alliance side completely misrepresent what happened in Darkshore until Blizzard showed us what happened in the Tides of Vengeance update so I would be cautious in taking what the Mission tables tell us as anything serious.
I wish it was accurate, half of Trisfal glades functions as normal like nothing changed. The only think changed is the area around the Scenario mission for Lordaeron. The rest is up for interpretation.
Which kind of angers me. Alliance “wins” are told in text left for us to imagine and Horde wins are center stage in gameplay and visually represented. That is so incredibly lame.
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YOU are the one who said that a dev stated that the alliance is winning. Then you cannot come up with a quote that actually confirms that statement.
There are no facts, no numbers, and no devs stating who is winning. The fleet getting blown up was a loss, but it does not unequivocally mean the horde are Losing the war.
I knew they wouldn’t be dumb enough to corner themselves in an absolute stating that one side is winning. I’m glad we cleared up the bit where you interpreted something instead of having a quote though.
Oh ho! Then you go on to state what MY definition of winning is and putting words in my mouth. Nice.
I’ll tell you this. Teldrassil was a loss. Lordaeron was a loss. Theres no getting them back. We got a win with BfD sort of. We didn’t accomplish what we set out to do, in fact we ended up doing the opposite really, but we sacked the city and killed Rastadude I guess and yes put a hurt on the fleet so it ended up in our favor.
If we had booted everyone out of dazaralor or actually destroyed it then that would have been a true win though.
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Don’t bother with him.
It ain’t worth it.
He is not interested in having a constructive argument or debate.
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im starting to see that, for some reason he thinks a horde fleet being destroyed means the horde have got the worst end of the war.
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So an entire warcampaign you participate in and an entire raid where you sack our city was in your imagination?
I get it, alliance doesn’t have a ton of fist pumping moments. And you usually have to look for them to find them.
But that doesn’t mean your not getting it in BFA and you are FAR from losing this expac.
We know that the alliance took the territory, even if they aren’t using it, which means the horde lost the territory.
Just your typical confirmation bias firing on all cylinders.
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