The state of this spec has been exhausting with the community being left waiting for a long time for any changes to the specs outdated talent tree, Shadowlands has been quite fun so far but when you’re asking your entire guilds armada of Balance druids for their innervates just to be viable in raid/M+, only to have your mana pool still vortex down the sink. The change to food/drinks mana recovery rate I understand for PVP reasons, but I’m sure that change could have been a PVP exclusive change as many healers receive abuse while trying to take a sip in mythic+ and struggle to get enough mana back before most groups continue to pull.
Mistweavers are missing a core strength that makes them desirable to be invited to mythic plus, with Shadowlands feeling like there were many tools that got given to Mistweaver but most of these things don’t really synergise well with the toolkit.
What is really stopping mana tea being a glorified innervate as every other healer has a way having a form of reliable mana recovery, we are left having to choose between picking mana tea or spirit of the crane for any semblance of mana efficiency just seems stupid… the excuse that we hear is that the Devs don’t know how to fix monks, and don’t know how to balance them is a bad excuse. The class balancing team were employed to do a job and have plenty of inspiration to draw from and should clever enough to figure out a solution. The old way mana tea used to function with stacks was a cool concept and being able to drink back your mana at 20 stacks was great.
We just want some light shed on the class as the community is slowly dying as more and more people just leave the class because of the lack of changes. Please let this be the end of a long and exhausting fight we are all at our wits end.
Look forward to hearing from you soon.
Kindest regards
Giatzu - Monk of Monks - Simp for the Maldraxi
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I’m not just leaving the class, if they haven’t fixed it by the time my subscription is up, I’m done with the game. I bought SL to play MW and they garbage in every area of the game compared to other healers. I don’t enjoy other classes, and frankly asking for some semblance of balance in a competitive game is not much to ask. Just looking at how this class has turned out I’m fairly confident I will be leaving the game and this expansion will come and go and the class will still be garbage. As a MW you have to work twice as hard to do what the other healers just roll their face across the keyboard to accomplish.
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This class is still terrible
You can only say that from a pvp vantage point. Pve wise we are doing well, aside from mana in M+ keys, we feel great, much better then at the start of bfa or legion.
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“Pve wise we are doing well.” No, no we’re not. This is a remarkably shallow and uninformed contribution. We’re not doing well, even in pve. Mistweaver is doing extraordinarily middle of the pack in output, and bottom of the barrel in overall representation. (see total parses).
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#metric=hps
This spec is not attractive enough to warrant demand or interest in more players going to it. It is just ok enough to keep people from abandoning it entirely. That is not a metric indicative of a class that is “doing well.” The spec isn’t good enough. Period. Dot.
It doesn’t offer anything unique in terms of raid cooldowns outside of mana-sinking short term burst HPS. It’s damage is poor to non-existent. This isn’t good enough. The people developing this spec should not be happy with where it is, nor should the player base. Quit being content with “just ok.” Demand excellence, because they are capable of delivering it: see disc priest, rsham and holy paladin.
I mean That’s just from the mindset of one who isn’t doing well then, I just last night did a 16 HOA and a 15 DOS and timed both and was fine. Furthermore in raid I’m beating an rsham and disc priest on a lot of the fights. I know I’m not the only one, if you go in the peak discord you’ll see that the complaining you see on the forums doesn’t exsist in the discord. This class is capable of being really strong it just takes some thought now because we don’t have lucid dream and maut trinket to restore all of our mana.
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I mean Srry, I don’t need data, most of the MWs who do mythic raiding content and high M+ aren’t seeing any doom or gloom with this spec, it really just is neck beards like you who want this class to be absurd and broken, if they aren’t broken that must mean they are bad.
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“Sorry I don’t need data.” Cool man I don’t make decisions based on feeling but on facts. The fact is MW is out represented by all other healers and prot paladins in arena. MW is out represented by every other healer in the PVE content you cherish. Im out here advocating for the spec. Bury your head in the sand and be ok with just good enough.
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I have run mythics with a MW and it’s not bad at all. We even have one for raiding and it’s working out well. Do they mean not viable at all or is it a personal fix problem needed? I wouldn’t say MW are the best but definitely not doom and gloom though where they are garbage in Raids/Mythics+
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Because both of you clowns play 1 dimension of the game. If you’re fine with the way the class plays great, go away. We’re here trying to make it better for all forms of content.
Were not saying they shouldn’t make it better, of course they will need fixed and buffs. But you are claiming they are not viable at all, saying that they are garbage atm. Which is not the case. What is it? Are they viable for raiding/mythics+ or are they not?
Plain english: MW is viable for raiding and mythic +. They are not viable for pvp or the W1st raiding. Holy paladins are viable in all forms of content including the W1 race. Disc priests are viable in all forms of content including the W1 race. RShams are viable in all forms of content including the W1 race. I want that for Mistweavers. You two coming in here saying “MWs are fine” is not correct, and doesn’t help properly advocate for the spec. Have better aspirations than your own lane of content being average.
Calling it “doom and gloom” is completely dismissive.
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So because something isn’t world first it makes it bad? That’s the dumbest mentality ever, hpriest and rdruid aren’t part of world first either lol. It’s not one dimensional, I’ve just played MW when it was legitimately bad to play lol. I usually find that it’s casuals that complain about MW for some odd reason. Btw MW has been the least played healer for a LONG time lol, monk is the least played class in case you didn’t know.
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It does suck though when your spec is so lowly represented in PvP (out done by a prot pally!), I want to find arena queues but hesitate to even join because I’m a MW :(.
Lots of QQs here, we’re fine for raiding and M+ - clearing +10+ okay but not super well so minor tuning there will help… Where I find to be the worst area is in pvp… I dropped MW in 2’s/3’s because they don’t have survivability or burst healing so they are a prio kill and typically die after cocoon to a typical 2k mmr rated team.
Lol, congrats you can do pvp, which if you scroll up said does need work. However I’ve done CE content as a MW for 7 tiers so I do know what I’m talking about there. And same with M+. I’m not just whining about something I hardly play lol. Pvp MW is bad, it’s not however bad in raid or M+. But Gratz, you are good at the content most wow players are the least bit interested in lol
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MW imo have issues with:
- mana
- utility
- dps is low
Throughput is fine I think, being middle of the pack with all of the data available isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Spirit Shell will likely get nerfed next tier and I’m sure shammies will get more blanace. But compared to other healers mws just don’t provide anything besides throughput. Revival is strong but doesn’t help against the sort of rot damage fights like Council have. Yu-Lon is pretty nice I think but I wish the conduit that lowers its CD could somehow make it possibly cost less mana? Maybe that would be too powerful though.
In arena our dps is…pitiful. When you compare it to basically all other healers it is shocking how bad it is. MW rn feels how holy priest felt during 8.3. A sort of forgotten healer spec that can do stuff OK but is passed up by people with any sort of knowledge about comp etc.