This is the same company that had catapults from Darkshore burn down Teldrassil. Adhering to things that would work or not isn’t Blizzard’s strong suit.
But yes, a repeat of A Little Patience would be a huge blunder on Blizzard’s part unless their intention is to piss off fans. But we’re still in risk of that, as people are worried that Tyrande is going to do something to flame the fires of war again just as Anduin is going to achieve peace, and Anduin can say Tyrande just should have had a little patience again.
The relevence is such: Why we don’t actually see the Alliance go after Sylvanas again right away? And instead we spend our time talking with Baine, watching him get arrested, getting Xal’atath, and then falling into the Nazjatar trap? Because those are the locations and story Blizzard wanted write, and characters are bent around that to prolong things so Blizzard can do that.
the reader to believe that both of their own minds cannot be trusted. I don’t think the narration really provides support for that idea.
The narrative supports that rather consistently, as it has portrayed Saurfang as suicidal and escapist, and people generally regarded “Warbringers: Sylvanas” as Sylvanas simply screaming “BURN IT!” because she was pitied when that reveal came out. And looking at A Good War makes it even more evident why Sylvanas was so easy to push over the edge by Delaryn.
Once again, I stand by my analysis.
It’s true the text describes their emotional states, but nowhere does it show their thinking to be faulty on that basis.
It doesn’t have to state it, when, as analyzed, Sylvanas doesn’t even remember what her plan to split the Alliance was any more, which when added to her emotional state covers that her faulty thinking.
Not to mention the entire thing is written in the third person, which doesn’t work towards selling someone’s internal dialog as being emotionally upset.
If anything, it’s even better, because it’s an objective fact by the writer that she was emotional.
That’s the thing, both of them have their emotions shown, neither of them are shown as being compromised by those emotions.
As covered above, both are shown to be emotionally compromised.
I’ve seen it before, but that’s just a buff. The description even suggests it was cast by Tyrande, not Elune.
Cast by Tyrande as the Night Warrior aspect of Elune. Which was my point, that the Worgen actually end up closer to the Night Elves because of Elune embracing vengeance, not the merciful light that was trying to save Malfurion.
That’s another example of the burning to Teldrassil uniting the Alliance even more, as, for example, Ivar Bloodfang and his pack shows up at Darkshore, where as previously the Bloodfang pack was purely concerned with Gilneas and the surrounding regions. So, once again, the opposite of what Sylvanas expected.
Given Sylvanas’ intent to hunt the Night Elven leaders from the very start - And the fact that she hesitates to launch the attack when they confirm that Tyrande is away in Stormwind, to Saurfang’s bewilderment - He clearly didn’t know the full scope of what she was aiming for. He knew she wanted to wound the Alliance, to cause a situation where they would become divided, but he also thought that she wanted to defeat it, not destroy it.
Which, once again, was Spuddyc’s point with this thread, that Sylvanas lied to Saurfang and the Horde and sold them an honorable war she probably was never going to deliver.
In fact, that’s why she wanted Saurfang to kill him, because a ten thousand year old master Druid being killed by an aging Orc with an axe would be wildly demoralizing and destabilizing.
That was the theatrics that cost her everything, yes.
Debatable. I know you seem to think Tyrande will just end up falling in line behind whatever peace Anduin wants to make, but that makes no narrative sense at all. And haven’t the devs even said they’re building towards division in the Alliance?
They said the Alliance would show signs of division in an interview that came before Tides of Vengeance. I find it likely that Tyrande storming off to Darkshore by herself and Genn supporting Tyrande will be all it amounts to.
I consider this likely because of the softening of Genn’s broadcast text over the development of Tides of Vegence, from:
- Anduin Wrynn says: You said nothing, Genn. What more could I have done?
Genn Greymane says: The night elves saved my people from our curse--gave us refuge in Darnassus.
Genn Greymane says: Countless gilneans died when it fell, boy. I nearly lost Mia.
Genn Greymane says: I won't let them endure the same fate we have--the worgen will fight by their side.
To:
- Genn Greymane says: Anduin... I need a word.
Anduin Wrynn says: Of course. You know you can always speak your mind.
Genn Greymane says: The night elves saved my people from our curse. They offered us refuge in Darnassus after our kingdom fell.
Genn Greymane says: I cannot stand idle as they endure the same fate we did. Gilneas will fight by their side.
Genn Greymane says: I don't mean to defy you. But if I didn't give the order, I think Mia would charge off to battle without me.
Anduin Wrynn says: I understand, Genn. Light be with you.
And yet we’re having a conversation right now.
As long as you don’t delve back into your “we must assume status quo” headcanon world.
I didn’t say it was the same, I said it was as real as the Horde split.
And my point was that “as real” is a misleading statement, as the Horde split is meaningfully worse.
I maintain, there is no way Tyrande will accept ending the war on the terms Anduin wants to end it.
If you’re right you’ll be right, and we’ll have a worse A Little Patience rehash, and many fans will be quite upset.
If you’re wrong, at the very least, I will be quite happy.
It seems like they’re more disgusted at Tyrande not showing up for Azshara or possibly being made into a villain, not for her continuing the war or diverging from Anduin.
Tyrande not showing up for Azshara is definitely the main focus of the thread, but here’s some samples:
inb4 Tyrande and Malfurion are the Sylvanas and Nathanos of next expansion, having been consumed by rage and their desire for vengeance. Shandris will be Saurfang, and will team up with Baine and Anduin to stop the evil Night Elf warmongers and bring peace to the Horde and Alliance.
I really dont expect anything good from Blizzard regarding Night Elves but to actually turn Tyrande the next villain would be like screaming out loud that they always hated her.
She deserves way better than to be villain batted for trying to defend her people.
Unfortunately I think something along those lines is possible. Thousands of her people killed, she become Elune’s vengeance, and then Saurfang is released. They could take this totally in the direction that Tyrande wants nothing but war war war. It’s not like they haven’t screwed the Night Elves before.
I’m on the fence about this. I’m so paranoid about Blizzard’s handling of Tyrande, Elune, the Night Warrior, and anything else relating to Night Elves, that I’d take it as a sign they do, in fact, intend to villain bat and kill off Tyrande.
Yes, villain batting is the concern, on the idea that Tyrande would continue the war.
See above.
Same to you.
Leave me out of that. My character still wants Saurfang’s head on a pike, alongside that of Sylvannas’. She might be persuaded to hold off on the first by an order from Anduin, but never the second.
Sure, but from what I can tell, you’re like our token contrarian Night Elf fan. I think the only way to get you to like Saurfang would be for the narrative to tell you not to like him.