Here’s a small suggestion for templar strikes.
Make it off gcd, at least the second strike.
Or, the combo is automatic, and consumes 1 gcd, so basically it’s 2 strikes back to back, 2 holy power.
Cooldown is unchanged.
Also while we’re at it, holy blade and improved blade of justice should not be a choice node, frankly speaking, improved should probably be baseline, but if not, it shouldn’t be a choice node. There is a reason why so many proc abilities with a cd have at least 2 charges.
Way back when Templar Strikes was first datamined. The ability seemed to work more like Rampage than the ability we ended up with. Seemingly being 3 strikes in one button press. 3 Crusader Strikes to be specific. There was no mention of seperate “templar strike/slash” abilities.
But this version of Templar Strikes seem to have been scrapped before being testable on the PTR.
putting it off the global cd would just lead to it being macroed to every ability and forgotten about because the damage provided outweighs any hopo economy
second strike afaik is half a gcd, also having both happen in one press still kinda pointless, the idea of ts is that its a filler ability. besides TS is strong, the issue however is radiant glory, having 50%+ uptime on hammer of wrath completely invalidates TS existence.
Not everyone is gonna play radiant glory for one, and 2 if your not going with a high haste build you still have the gcd to use ts.
both strikes are a flat one second gcd
ty for correcting me
okay then thats on them, take the loss
literally i have 13% haste and i have 0 downtime. ive played with 9% haste and still had no downtime.
no amount or lack there off of haste will put you in a position where you’ll play templar strike.
if your playing templar strike then 100% take the L, as long as radiant glory lives, then it has no chance of being good without being digustingly op and clunky to use
Pre-patch I had more haste then that and still had time while testing with radiant glory. I find without the skill there is too many empty gcd’s that goes to waste.
I disagree.
No one is taking an L here, except for you this time for beleiving it’s a mere “filler” ability, which is amusing considering it’s the hardest hitting builder you can talent into.
I disagree that Templar Strikes is clunky to use and I quite like it. However, I do agree with you in that the only way for it to be taken is for it to be very strong.
There is just too much opportunity cost with Templar Strikes. Between the talent points devoted, gcds spent, haste being devalued, and even AoW procs becoming redundant all make Templar Strikes a very expensive talent to take. I can’t see Blizz ever letting it be strong enough to overcome all of that in a pve environment.
I have heard its good in pvp, though. And that makes sense as that context favors burst damage over sustained.
They just need to fix some of the glaring design issues.
Then templar, and crusading will be an actual choice, with both being fun to use in their own way.
If it were baseline, I think the obvious choice there then would be 2HP on either BoJ or Judgement.
I don’t think both should coexist at the same time as 2 charges of BoJ being baseline.
This node was always going to be a headache to balance.
And since it needs to be ridiculously strong to be considered…
Should they think about turning the concept on it’s head and explore making Templar Strike a spender?
Either completely or as a spender for the second part of the combo?
CS having a CD would naturally play into making it a strong spender since it wouldn’t always be available.
What would you think of this?
I think 2 spenders in base ret is enough as it is.
4 if either go templar/divine hammer.
Now if it replaced final verdict as a choice between range/more damage…
Thought of it but then that’s not a choice between CSAA and TS anymore.
Kind makes DS obsolete to if it keeps it’s interaction with blessed champion.
I was thinking of it as in the same line as Radiant Decree was, a spender on which you give priority but that has a CD attached to it.
But that’s kind of what they did with HoL already, hell they even put it on the same button as Wake, on the nose much.
okay prepatch is different the post expansion. we have 40% attack speed. even without radiantglory i found near 0 downtime post expansion. this is 100 a skill issue
and you lose more overal, and it makes the entire spec clunky and pushes out judgement out of the rotation.l templar strike has no place in the spec withgout makign the spec feel actively worse
fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. but templar strike feels extremely clunky to use cause your actively giving up boj charges which means more art of wars go to waste, and your actively pushing judgement a iconic ability out of the rotation
i agree 100%. except for the haste part, i dont understand how people think haste this much of a impact when it really doesnt. you can have 3% haste and csaa gives no downtime due to the new zeal talent
adding more spenders doesnt solve the issue at all. it would have to be the ST version of radiant decree. but they wont do that since ts replaces a filler ability, thus doomed to stay filler.
it can never be a actual choice now that radiant glory exists. this is why i was extremely against RG when it first appeared. cause it instantly invalidated all the effort and work blizzard put into making TS a competative ability.
yall need to understand that before RG was revealed, the changes to TS made it stronger to csaa and with scaling it would remain competitive at 700simulated ilvl. RG ruined its chance to ever being viable without it being buffed to ridiculous levels
Sorry to say this, but anyone that says a line like this can never be taken seriously and comes around as being pushy.
If you want people to listen to you, avoid lines like these, otherwise you’ll be entering flame territory on the internet.
no? ive already tried to explain it nicely multiple times. but you especially you and others dont want to get it. why should i watch how i speak when you constantly spread misinfo and dont watch how you speak
One of the things that haste does is reduce the gcd. We start at 1.5 seconds and it can be reduced to a cap of 1 second. A Templar Strikes build has 2 attacks every cycle that are at a 1 second gcd by default and thus those builds get less value from haste than a CSAA build would get.
This is true, but what you’re missing is that haste reducing the gcd allows you to get more attacks in during a set amount of time. A high haste build can make better use of procs than a low haste build because it has more open time to fit the procs in.
Even during DF when ret scaled horribly with secondaries every guide around said to take haste to about 30% and then stack versatility. Why was it so beneficial to stack haste to that point? Because it put you roughly at the cap on gcd reduction.
The reason you wanted haste to around 30% is the same reason you didn’t want haste beyond that point- the gcd was capped and thus haste’s value dropped significantly.
Isn’t this also the threshold at which haste/vers/crit starts to gives less % per stat point?
(Mastery kind of does it’s own thing relative to the % it shows I don’t know where the threshold lies for this one)
Well, in DF, 30-35%ish was considered ok.
I’ve seen somewhere that getting 90% Mastery would us 100% Hand of Light proc.
yes i am aware, it just seems like yall are putting way to much focus on haste as a stat when its mastery> ilvl> crit> haste>verse
nearly last on the totem pole on stat priority.
you have to have a amount of haste that isnt possible to feel that change. this is like mid expansion amount of haste. not right now. again yall need to just sim and f ocus on gearing based on what sims tell you.
no pve guild told you to stack up to 30, every pve guide told you to sim, i and alot others ended up having 40+% haste cause the robot said it was better for me.
just sim and stop focusing so much on secondary stats, theyre just secondary. cept for mastery this expansion for rings