Played all day yesterday after the Templar buffs went live for PvP. Feels so much better and is much more enjoyable to play compared to Herald imo. Very appreciative of these buffs!
- Templar: Final Reckoning now increases the damage of Hammer of Light by 30% (was 15%).
Just a thought, but I really wish this change would have been applied to Execution Sentence instead of Final Reckoning.
Execution Sentence feels like the more powerful single target burst option, at least on paper. While Final Reckoning seems like the cooldown to boost AoE damage.
Is there a chance we could see this ability improved to function better with Templar?
Seems like this would play into the big burst idea of this Hero Spec better. The icing on the cake is that ES is a Hammer and Templar is also Hammer-themed.
FR is sword themed so it also makes sense that it stays the better option typically for Herald of the Sun.
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FR boosts all HP spenders on the target, but yeah FR does help allot for AoE (DS damage that is) while ES effects any and all damage, including generators.
Yeah that’s exactly it. Hammer of Light for Templar Paladin seems to mostly be going for the big burst hit. Pairing that up with ES fits the theme very well. I’ll have to test ES as is now with the recent Templar buffs in PvP to gage how well it does.
My guess is that Final Reckoning will perform better especially because of the recent buff to it for Templar Paladins specifically.
I’m playing ES all the time on all content, otherwise the ST feels very lacking VS AoE is pretty good regardless of FR.
The only thing I find annoying is using 1 FV in crusade before using HoL within the 8sec of ES.
It fits but it feels tight a bit sometimes.
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My only problem with it is that it is useless when the opponent is already almost dead. If they before the debuff goes off, it’s 100% missed bonus damage.
Final Reckoning was great while leveling but I’m pretty underwhelmed by it right now. The cooldown is too long for me to really appreciate its on-demand burst AoE and as a placed AoE it can be hard to use during a hectic scenario. Execution Sentence seems better in virtually everything I encounter. Even in most AoE scenarios, there is usually an enemy who needs to die faster than the others and its cooldown is very convenient even if it ends up wasted on a particular enemy.
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Since FR is a 1m CD, there’s no way in hell they were gonna do it for ES with a mere 30s CD.
If they did apply it for the latter, no one would ever use FR again.
Haven’t tried it yet, How does lights deliverance feel now with 50 stacks for pvp.
I hate that capstone and feel like it should be revamped
What would you like to see as a capstone instead?
I’m not familiar with anything PvE related for Ret. So no idea what goes on in Mythic+ or Raids.
Do Rets typically run ES or FR in those environments?
For PvP at least, Rets have almost always been running FR this entire expansion.
It could definitely go this way if the tuning is overdone. Probably very hard to get the balance right.
Funny enough the issue is right now, at least for PvP, no one ever uses ES. So we are currently in the opposite camp.
How about a version of herald’s capstone since both herald and temp use wake as the trigger for the specs.
Maybe using wings grants us the old bug, where we have a window to spam HoL
Aye, only reason I switched over to FR is because of the synergy with the hammers now.
I’ll be honest here, your propositions are a bit underwhelming.
I thought you would have went with something that was different than what we had.
The “bug” is just the same capstone with a cost but we cast it more often, that’s not that interesting and furthermore they would need to nerf the damage back down.
What do you mean a version of Herald Capstone?
Herald Capstone is applying Dawnlight and linking us to them.
What similarities in Templar would be exploited to make something similar to this?
Like Wing would activate a Divine Hammer like effect? With rotating Hammers around us?
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Sure why not, a perpetual divine hammer during wings.
Look, idk. I’m just not a fan for having to ramp up our temp capstone instead of it being ready for us whenever.
Do any other specs have a similar situation where they have to ramp it up, if so, is it smoother than LD?
Mind you this is mostly from a PvP perspective. Between being kited or cc’ed it can be a pain to get up to max stacks.
Can’t mess with itemization
Sure, they aren’t constrained by this in their development.
But from this perspective the ability itself is accessible every wake, it’s not like the capstone made the whole tree inaccessible.
But I can relate to the appeal of a capstone that have a more direct impact.
They can and already did before with Titan-Grip.
Eh, that’s different. SMF is just one itty bitty talent off to the side of the tree that can be ignored.
Though, imo such talents shouldn’t exist and they should just let those specs mog into their preferred weapon types.
Like fury should mog two handers into one handers if they wanted to
Yeah but LD is still temp’s capstone and it’s restrained in PvP just due to the nature of PvP.
Compared to herald’s where all it takes is popping wings.
I haven’t tried the buffs yet so maybe a 50 stack feels much better for PvP, I just doubt it.
Gonna test later tonight
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And the looks.
(Pole-arm and sheild is a classic holy knight vibe.)
I know, but blizz said they didn’t want hero specs to change up itemization