Teldrassil's burning was a short-sighted decision on the writers' part

That is irrelevant.

The thing was done. The thing was did.

“Oh I stole a cookie from you today but later I’ll go buy you one therefore I haven’t stolen any cookies from you!” is a very bizarre thought process to have.

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At the time, maybe. But since we know in hindsight that her goal was to kill as many people as possible, she probably would have just come up with some OTHER excuse to burn the city down if Malfurion had died as planned.

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lol its irrelevent kek, how is it irrelevent when they where writing and building shadowlands all of the time bfa was out like lol, theres practically a whole zone about tyrandes stuff

thats a very poor analogy doesnt make sense at all cause blizzard didnt steal anything

Okay, you’re really really bad at this.

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Edit: People beat me to this, so the following post is redundant.

Appearantly Afrasiabi did think this:

    PC Gamer: For a long time the conflict between the Alliance and the Horde has been ignored in favor of dealing with external threats, like the Burning Legion. Why is now the right time to respark the animosity that started it all?

    Alex Afrasiabi: We feel the Alliance-Horde divide is foundational and fundamental to World of Warcraft as a franchise and as a story, but we danced around it for a very long time. We’ve had run-ins, we’ve had close calls, but we’ve never been able to finish it—to have that resolution. We’re coming out of this expansion, Legion, and the world is not in a great place—the players and the factions themselves are not in a great place because there is all of this old animosity that hasn’t been resolved. It’s time to resolve it.


https://www.pcgamer.com/blizzard-answers-some-of-our-biggest-questions-about-world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/

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Honestly, the more I think about it, I think all Blizzard expected out of this was to give the Alliance a perpetual reason to want to fight the Horde, one that they could draw on for the rest of WoW. I think they saw it playing into a long-term, low-level aggression in the playerbase, not an immediate and high-level aggression that is only spiraling upward as time goes on.

I don’t think they expected Night Elf players to be so very outraged and demanding of immediate and complete revenge, which is why they’re scrambling now to find something to satisfy them.

I don’t think they expected to have to build a new capital for either the NEs or the Forsaken. I think they thought both sides would just happily settle into their new districts in the main faction capitals.

I don’t think they expected Horde players to object as much as they did, and I think they expected Saurfang’s rebellion to satisfy those who did object.

What I have never understood and still don’t understand is why they didn’t feel the need to give Horde players a defensible reason for their side starting the war, though.

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The only thing I wonder is if the writers realize how bad a decision it was.

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The factions aren’t supposed to be cooperative to each other. It’s World of WARcraft after all. It’s Red Vs. Blue save for when both are threatened by Black.

I would LOVE to take some writer(s) out for drinks and get them to answer questions off the record.

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I think the writers mostly occupy that niche of players that think the WC2 Horde was awesome.

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I think the biggest issue of Teldrassil is how they had the audacity of saying it was all Sylvanas. That she and Nathanos and nobody else in the Horde should pay for the crimes. When Horde players marched into Ashenvale murdered civilians in Astranaar and butchered their way into Darkshore. The genocide described in the books was harrowing and deeply upsetting for anyone who played as a Night Elf.

Doing the Prelaunch quest of saving the people in Teldrassil as they burned alive only to have your lungs give out. That’s something no player can easily forget or forgive.

Obviously Horde players cannot be held responsible for genocide since you are simply accepting these quests, but the fact that there can be no retribution, no forgiveness or even justice for the Kal’dorei. That is the hardest pill. Even if we killed Sylvanas. The Horde shall forever be marked by all the crimes they’ve committed. Old Horde/New Horde, same Horde whether under Blackhand or Garrosh or Sylvanas. The Horde is forever stained in blood of the innocents.

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Neither Forsaken or Night Elves got new districts in Orgrimmar or Stormwind respectively, though.

Which was especially without foresight as far as Stormwind went, assuming their statements of planning things out two expansions ahead, as instead of rebuilding the Park as the Night Elf district ahead of filling Stormwind full of Night Elf refugees they gave us Lion’s Rest instead.

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I mean, it is possible that the writers thought Tedlrassil was going to be a fist-pump moment that would carry Horde players though the losing in the rest of the expansions and all the villain-batting.

But that is actually scary. I mean, if they are really that far out of touch there is no hope for things to get better.

Though admittedly I switched to Alliance because I have no such hope.

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I dont understand, blizzard said one thing and did another, we arent in 8.2 anymore, shadowlands is out and they are continuing the story, complaining about something that isnt true anymore is just a waste of time.

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This happens only in Alliance content. In Horde content Saurfang has you rescue civilians.

It isn’t lore, it is just Blizzard bating players.

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Hes talking about the books which is practically the same for both

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Well, of course not–that would take coding resources! :laughing:

And I guess in the fiction, the NEs at least are staying in inns and private houses. I have no idea where the Forsaken are canonically hanging out in Org. I don’t know if it’s ever been stated.

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Don’t recall any murdering civilians in “A Good War” either.

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I assume in the hold underneath Ogrimmar. There’s practically a city/factory underneath where Garrosh dug deep and created several facilities. Much of that can easily be converted into a functional weapons R&D department and they even had barracks. So plenty of room for Forsaken/Goblins/Mag’har orcs to stay comfortably.

Murder isn’t technically the right word, as the Night Elf civilians armed themselves and fought the Horde back.