Just like nelf players that want the story to be 100% about them
Or undead players who feel just cause sylvanas is there only character that that entitles her to win.
The Sentinel Tree is not nearly the same thing. It was planted by Malfurion by presumably orthodox Druidic methods.
Teldrassil was created using Old God magic. Not nearly the same thing and a major reason why it was corrupted from the start.
LOL no it wasnt
Teldrassil was raised using forbidden methods. That’s why Staghelm had to put Malfurion out of the way.
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I really miss WC3 writers…
No it wasnt it wasnt blessed thats why it was corrupted and a part of xavus branch was grafted on to it.
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The same ones we have now lolllllllllll the only one thats missing is like mezten and everyone here hated him too
No, it wasn’t.
Teldrassil was grown by the Cenarion Circle, with blessings and aid from the Council of Ancients, the governing body of the Ancients and leader of their people.
After it was grown, a branch was grafted onto the tree by Fandral Staghelm, having been manipulated by Xavius.
It was on the up and up, and grown with the authority and power of beings far more wizened than mere mortals.
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They aren’t ignoring them. It’s worse- they’re trying to do them ‘better’. BFA was their attempt to re-do MoP ‘better’ (Evil Horde Warchief blows up an alliance city and ends up alienating part of their own faction in the middle of a war under both sides join up to take them down, while we explore long-lost lands and deal with some old god stuff on the side) and Shadowlands will be their attempt to re-do WoD ‘better’ (we chase evil Horde Warchief into an alternate reality where we interact with old dead characters from the past).
edit: now that I think about it, the Argus storyline from the end of Legion is pretty much a re-do of BC, but I’ll give it a pass as actually being good
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As I recall the original night elff opening went like this.
"Seeking to regain their immorrtality a number of wayward Druids … and here’s the rest.
https://youtu.be/mIJn2elk5r4?t=41
Malfurion was absolutely against the raising of Teldrassil and as we found out later, Staghelm pulled his own “protomatter” stunt to make it happen. None of the other World Trees were even close to the size of that monstrosity.
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My main interpretation of the story is that it was a mystery and Sylvanas didn’t burned the tree. I hope they go that way.
Think your shadowlands “is just redoing warlords better” is abit oversimplified tbh.
I mean there are many flaws there, but I mean shadowlands is basically the “we killed all our villains and must now go to deathlands to kill them or redeem them”
Outside of kel’thuzad (I mean you can really REALLY see the downfall of his character in the Maldraxxus campaign). He is basically made you know… saturday cartoon villain, or well even hearthstone villain.
so you know. Given he is basically the last boss of the 2nd raid in shadowlands. yeah dont expect much
That was not what it was sold as. It was sold as an expansion where the Faction conflict would be front and center, but that seemed to have gone out the same airlock as the writing crew who were working at that time.
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I hear ya OP. When expansions apparently all happen within a year, it doesn’t really help. BFAs plot could have worked if they actually built off the single narrative, but they went in so many directions I got whiplash. It feels like they were aiming to setup another WC3 cold war setting with the BFA conclusion, but the tone is just different. It’s hard to work together again after the burning for pretty obvious reasons.
Like someone mentioned earlier in this thread if they had the burning happen midway instead of being the trigger of the expansion, things probably would have flowed better.
BFA was just exhausting and as someone that was initially hyped to see a faction war narrative again, I don’t want to see another attempt if this is what they’re going to provide their customers. I need a respite expansion after this where it’s just us working together within our respective faction and building up internal relationships and trust.
No idea what they have planned in SLs, but hopefully they don’t just drop the tones of SLs because even though I was disappointed, brushing things under the rug would be worse…at least for me.
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Yea, I know it’s reaching bit after the broad theme I mentioned. It’s just that I’m not willing to give them any slack anymore.
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Well… I mean you knew from the point of all those xalatath interactions and the stuff about ilgynoth that the expansion after legion would be old god themed, or void related, the stuff in argus just spelled it out for you in greater detail.
After that homever when we got the azerite stuff and they announced “Artificial old god boss” and “void” etc etc it got pretty obvious that 9.0 was going to be an old god expansion. with a side dish of MoP, the moment we saw darnassus stuff.
Alex Afrasiabi: We feel the Alliance-Horde divide is foundational and fundamental to World of Warcraft as a franchise and as a story, but we danced around it for a very long time. We’ve had run-ins, we’ve had close calls, but we’ve never been able to finish it—to have that resolution. We’re coming out of this expansion, Legion, and the world is not in a great place—the players and the factions themselves are not in a great place because there is all of this old animosity that hasn’t been resolved. It’s time to resolve it.
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It should be mentioned that Tyrande as well as the Game itself mentions that Teldrassil had one Thousand Night Elves killed at the time of the burning…
I’m of the opinion that the Writers should balance it out by having one Thousand Horde(including the ones who used the catapults and empowered the flames) be delivered into the vengeful hands of the Night Elves!
One could argue, the night elves and worgen already beat the snot out of the Horde army at Darkshore though. I don’t think the horde needs to be humilated anymore than they already are.
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After the Burning of Teldrassil, for the Alliance to accept anything other than the Horde being dismantled or destroyed entirely would be ludicrous.
This is not the first time the Alliance and the world has suffered because of Horde internal politics, we literally had to kick down the gates of Orgrimmar with them and put a stop to one power-mad Warchief already. Leaving the Horde intact to start again was already a shaky sell at that point, but this time?
This time the Horde took it a giant step further by outright burning an Alliance capital full of innocents to the ground. And even if Sylvanas had gone with her original plan of just trying to occupy Teldrassil, it still would have ended in bloodshed.
Alliance citizenry already had plenty of reason to distrust any Horde assurances of honor and civility after all the damage Garrosh caused, and now the very same faction we showed mercy to repaid us by literally burning civilians alive in an Alliance capital to boot.
You’d have to be crazy to expect mercy from Alliance leaders after that. By burning Teldrassil, the entirety of the Horde NOT just Sylvanas established that they simply cannot be trusted to not keep falling back to mindlessly following the dictates of a murderous tyrant.
Even with them now claiming to want to finally move away from the Warchief-centric government and take on a more council based system, it’s too little and far too late. The damage has been done, again. And this time, they frankly don’t deserve to have a third chance.
From an Alliance standpoint, they’ve repeatedly proven they can’t be trusted to peaceful self-governance. After Teldrassil, their ONLY decision regarding the Horde should be the total dismantlement thereof and an enforced peace under Alliance control.
This is the stark mindset the Alliance is dealing with right now due to the developer’s decision to go this route in the story and why it never should have happened. An Alliance race shouldn’t have been all but High Elf’d just to prove a point about how dangerous Sylvanas was.
At this point, the only way to somewhat salvage the situation is to make Sylvanas’ end as brutal, humiliating and tormenting as possible to properly pay the bill the Alliance was stuck with.
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