When half your guild plans to switch faction, you effectively torn apart a guild
There go guild achieves
If guilds like people to transfer to their dead servers just to raid with them, why would guilds be okay with half their raiders swapping faction and ruining the “guild group”?
Sorry but this is a terrible idea to allow cross-faction raiding without cross-faction guild.
I agree. My guild has a lot of raid members who are either interested in playing a Horde race or who already have a Horde main and raid with us on an alt. We have a lot of infrastructure related to our raiding team wrapped up in the guild, including the calendar to see who’s coming to each raid night as well as the raid consumables we offer. Only being able to provide that for half our raid team seems unwieldy at best. Communication isn’t as big of a deal since Discord exists, but there’s still plenty of reasons for raiders to all be in the same guild.
Given their stated reasons for implementing cross-faction raiding in the first place - to allow players to play with whom they want, this seems like an unnecessary obstacle to that. I can understand why some players would prefer to be in a single-faction guild for RP reasons but I think every guild should be able to decide for themselves whether they’re single or dual faction.
So… make an alliance and horde version of your guild?
Fully Bunnies Horde can raid with Fluffy Bunnies Alliance and all can be lovely and sweet…and they’re effectively the same guild.
I understand the whole “we want players to opt into this” mindest, but that falls apart the second you get into any content that isn’t LFD/LFR . With how the game focuses on end game content, and M+ and raiding being end game content, you’re bound to get groups with the other faction regardless. The fact that there’s a glitch on the PTR RIGHT NOW that lets you do this makes it seem like that’ll probably come at some point anyways.
That wouldn’t really work very well. The calendars aren’t linked, the guild banks aren’t linked, the guild achievements aren’t linked… Not to mention the headache of needing to manage two separate guilds and repeating any guild actions you do in one on the other. There’s no reason to do that.
Getting everyone in the same room together isn’t the problem. Discord + cross-faction groups handle that just fine. But guilds offer a lot of infrastructure tools beyond that which are convenient to have when raiding together which having two separate guilds wouldn’t achieve.
That’s what we just did. We made a sister Alliance Guild.
Once Communities go Cross Faction the only things we can’t do are group up in the World and share a Guild Bank but hopefully that comes next.
The one thing I’d like Blizz to do is have Community chat default to being on in place or at least along side Guild Chat. Or just make Communties the defaukt social system in game.
to be fair the guild system also need an overhaul.
Guilds in wow are soo boring, most of the time its a glorified bank.
Honestly im fine with that.
If people are leaving to be on the alliance, its because they wanted to be on the alliance but felt they couldnt.
If people are now comfortable being on the faction they like, i cant help but see it as a good thing.
Maybe I am just a hermit but I am kind of excited about my guild wanting to all go horde because outside of raid time I’ll just be chilling, solo style, with nothing but peace and quiet. Until discord starts up at least, will still be connected that way~
I do really enjoy my guild but I also enjoy zero social anything at times.
It falls apart in its very core of the way they’re adding it.
Community owners will be able to flag a community cross-faction, meaning people may have to leave communities they’ve been in for years to keep it an opt-in nature.
If you are against cross-faction and do rated BGs, you are capable of queueing into a rated BG with a cross-faction team as your enemy. Thus, compromising the opt-in.
Blizzard needs to stop with the opt in nonsense. There is an opt-in for faction conflict and it’s called War Mode.
At this point, they need to just make Cross-Faction the baseline, and if you wish to opt into no cross-faction, turn on war mode. This could be used to opt into non-cross faction queued content as well.
You shouldn’t aim to appease the minority who wants to opt-out of cross faction by hurting the majority who are sick of being separated from friends or punished by playing Alliance.
That’s all i use my guilds for. Both my horde and alliance guilds consist of only me and my toons. Safer that way.
Use Discord for event calendars, people can get their own consumables if they feel they have to be the opposite faction, and no one cares about guild achievs. They’re useless.
While those are indeed all possible workarounds, I’m not sure what the argument against cross-faction guilds is.
I’m not as dramatic as the OP is, I don’t think this is going to tear guilds apart or anything like that. But I am expecting a significant portion of our raid team to become Horde once the option presents itself. While we do have ways of jumping through those hoops, they’re still hoops that require jumping. Why should they be? What do we gain by instituting these limitations on cross-faction raid teams?
I’m not arguing against cross faction guilds. I’m giving you options for now, because they haven’t said they’re implementing it yet.
While hoping for the change, I dunno what a guild even does, everyone just talks in Discord.
Realistically, you should be coordinating via Discord or Communities until guilds are implemented OP.
No, but it’s going to put a significantly larger administrative burden on the shoulders of the people running guilds.
I’m not looking forward, at all, to all the extra work I’m going to have to do to accommodate raiders who want to play cross faction in a game where blizz half craps the roll out.
Now instead of managing a guild, I have to manage two guilds and a community that ties them together.
All with blizzards particularly crappy management tools as well.
Yes, I’m salty. I’m not just blowing smoke either, or whining about a Guildbank type guild, I’ve gm’ed my guild for 10 years, through aotc every tier and ce six tiers. This situation sucks, and it may be great for individual players, but it’s absolutely crappy for guilds.
Just one more kick in the teeth from the devs to guilds.
You do realize that in order to invite members of the opposite faction, you have to either enable a cross faction community or invite them using their battle,net in-game ID?
We’re not allowed to just click a button and auto populate into a mixed faction raid group.
I don’t think I belong to a game community (even in games without factions) that utilize guilds for the community feature. They’re more like a name tag than anything these days.
Everything is in Discord.
Probably varies from group to group. In TBCC we chat a lot in Guild Chat still but also talk a lot in the Discord.