Retail has around 5m right now. Classic less than a million. Want me to get on the comp and post the links.
Cata had the highest subs. WoD has so many players they had to change how the servers held people. Considered trash by you guys. But more popular than any other version of wow.
Search retails GD for posts about how classic would/did kill retail. Even tbc classic trolls are now doing it on GD.
I thought Blizzard doesn’t publish sub numbers anymore? Whatever source(s) you have would still need to be taken with some skepticism.
Official Blizzard data shows that subs hit a plateau at the end of Wrath/beginning of Cata but then only went down the longer that Cataclysm was out towards Mists of Pandaria but then never actually recovered to WOTLK/early Cataclysm levels. WoD was definitely not the most popular version of WoW going by official data but it was more popular than any other expansion released after Cataclysm.
I don’t read retail forums and really have no interest in doing so but if people are saying that an old remake is going to kill an active MMO with new content then you shouldn’t really be taking that seriously. It just sounds like low quality bait.
I don’t say that retail is dead because Classic killed it, I say retail is dead because it’s a shadow of what WoW once was and because Blizzard lost the sauce that made WoW an interesting and exciting game.
GL having EVERYONE in outland then can i get an invite to doomwalker layer 18 plz.
then why are we alowed to take classicharaters into outland if its a diffrent game.
Technically, you’re going to be given the option to move your characters to a Vanilla-only server. Those that stay on the current ones won’t be “going” anywhere, at least on the client side
Hey, you’re Notglinda 
Those levels are still there if you want to play them. You haven’t lost anything.
WotLK had 12 million subs at peak. Cata lost 2 million players by launch (gutted Azeroth), myself included. It’s been downhill ever since population wise.
Shadowlands started strong thanks to classic existing. Although that seems to be falling off now too compared to initial launch. Personally me and my friends have all gone back to classic. No hate to retail, just prefer the pacing of early wow.
As for boosts, it’s crucial to bringing arena friends back to the game. This reason alone I’ll support boosts. Everybody’s done 0-58 multiple times over. I’ll have 5 60s by the time tbc drops. Most people are over it. Only time I’ll be going to Azeroth when TBC hits is to head to org.
The whole bot argument, they’re already everywhere anyway so what’s the difference? People are more enraged about a 58 boost then fly hacking bots molesting the economy and selling, well, boosts.
In the end it doesn’t matter, blizzard is going to do what they’re going to do. They’ve already said what they’re doing so…
google says otherwise. google says
" Wow which expansion has most subscribers
Blizzard hasn’t released subscriber figures publicly since 2015, but the 2014 milestone represents a 10 million subscriber peak alongside the release of Warcraft’s fifth expansion, Warlords of Draenor, that year. The all-time record of 12 million subscribers, hit in 2010 with the release of Cataclysm, still stands.Sep 27, 2018"
enjoy being wrong, i guess. 
Google also says otherwise,
The subscriber base for MMORPG World of Warcraft has passed 12 million players, developer Blizzard has announced.
The milestone comes following the launch of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion in mainland China, and ahead of the December 7 release of Cataclysm in the US and Europe.
I can copy and paste too! 
china doesn’t have subs the way other places do. you don’t count china as you do people who pay real subs. so i’m not sure what point you’re trying to make except you don’t understand how china pays for wow time.
October 7, 2010 - World of Warcraft reaches 12 million for the first time, and the all time record.
Cata wasn’t out until December 2010. If you’re paying for a sub, you count. Doesn’t matter where you’re from. Blizzards numbers not mine. Either way fine you right me dumb. Officially off topic.
The “It’s not classic, its TBC!” is an argument that is plain disheartening to continue to see on these forums.
No. It is a separate game.
Originally when they released classic, they were to be forever servers that functioned as a museum for the original game. There was no indication that TBC would ever be released, or that classic was even going to be as successful as it was.
Many, many players chose not to play classic. Or opted out early because of how terrible the experience was. TBC is a much different game. Every expansion for WoW, has been essentially it’s own game.
Wait are you in other threads using the name Karen as a derogatory term… so you can use this term to slander people you don’t like but I can’t say tourist in its definition form??
essentially anyone who plays classic is a tourist. the people who aren’t all play retail as it’s the actually “permanent” version of the game. vanilla is retail. tbc is retail. every expansion after that. if you weren’t a tourist you’d be playing the main game. classic is like getting the first “chapter” of an rpg game off gog for free and then pretending it’s an entire game. it’s fun for what it is, but it was never the stopping point. real wow’s stopping point is when the servers go offline. you can see for the classic forums classic’s stopping point was the first road block they hit in naxx, months ago.
It absolutely has not. That design didn’t come until much later. In TBC and Wrath, the earlier world was still full of players and vibrant with activity. The game was still growing. New players were everywhere.
Now, times have changed and clearly Blizz is taking a different approach with TBC Classic. But don’t pretend that back in the day when TBC launched that 1-58 was rendered irrelevant. I assure you it was not. I was there.
All the 1-58 content is still there for you to do to your heart’s content, and it’s only one boost per account. Stop worrying about how other people want to play the game, if you want to level every character from 1 you can, if people want to pay for a separate account for each alt they can do that too. Even back in 2007 the new expansion meant the 1-58 content became mostly irrelevant, and when leveling alts it was just about getting to TBC content as fast as possible.
That might be your experience, most people who played in vanilla and had at least one character at 60 the only thing TBC added besides the new starting zones was lvl 58+ content, all the rest was old outdated content that you would rather skip. In Wrath they made dks start at lvl 55 because they knew nobody wanted to level 1-58 again. I made a dk and all the dungeon groups were 4-5 dks because nobody else was leveling through TBC.
the dumbest argument. its a key indicator of a troll.
You know how most games have a ‘skip tutorial’ option because you already know what you’re doing? Thats what vanilla is to TBC. Except its a slow, painful, pointless tutorial.