Flying was fine. There’s literally no valid argument for why flying was bad. It is merely a parroted fallacy running rampant.
BuT iT RuInEd WpVP - no, no it did not. WPVP wasn’t ruined. What was ruined was ganking people who did not want to participate in WPVP. It allowed people to get away from being camped. For those who wanted WPVP, they still got it. As evidenced by the servers that prided themselves on it: The Venture Co, Emerald Dream, Tichondrius and the like. What truly ruined WPVP was arena and balancing specs around 2v2 and 3v3 and a lesser extent 5v5. This problem plagues modern wow now.
BuT It MaDe ThE GAmE tOo Ez - How? What was easier? The only NEED for flying was to have access to TK and Doomlord. Everywhere else was fine. Unless you mean having mobs aggro you while trying to pick flowers or mine as making the game harder? Which didn’t matter. Mages just sheeped, Druids rooted, Shamans stoneclawed, Locks feared. Either way they got it done. And at 70 it made things a bit easier, but you still had to do the quests from the ground.
It MaDe ThE wORLd SeEm SmALLeR - How? You had to level to 70 without flying (68 for druids). You got to see the world and appreciate running all over the place. Who cares if it made things easier at 70. What are we learning from running from Kargath to BRD? Nothing, guess what, on Herod - there’s no WPVP on the way there anyway. Also, there was no WPvP on raid nights during the WPVP only honor phase.
My biggest dislike with TBC, and the thing that makes every expansion that follows it irredeemable, is that they gave Horde Paladins and Alliance Shamans.
Can’t agree more. Removed the identity of Alliance immediately. Was the poorest move to quell the issue over one Paladin ability, Blessing of Salvation.
And WF/Tremor totem. I can remember people losing their minds over that. “I can’t ever get as high of a DPS cause no WF” or “All we have is fearward rest of the raid just wipes”.
Plus, shammy have TA totem. Good ones can twist it when they need it.
it actually made ganking worse. Level 70’s could fly around and swoop down on unsuspecting below 70 questers at their leisure and then fly away when help came.
This goes back to the age old reasoning seen not too long ago during P2. “PVP Happened on a PVP server.” The thing is, it does remove the element of PVP where you can no longer prepare or even halt groups with terrain. You could bypass almost all the other things like guards and terrain to get to your goal and move out.
You ever wonder why people don’t go to Silvermoon or Azuremyst? No flight. It’s not easy to get to their objective which should be a bit of a barrier when it comes to WPvP. They added net guns JUST because people wouldn’t come down to fight.
It’s a fallacy because you say so? Fallacies come from somewhere meaning it isn’t always a fallacy. Flying was ok in tbc because we were all still pretty social at the time. In retail the world is so empty. You never see anyone on the ground anymore.
But is that really related to flying? Now there’s dungeon finder, raid finder, etc;
There’s just no reason to go on the open world other than to level. With the alternatives to gold farming in retail as well, there’s even less incentive. I basically farm 100k/week in about 10 min a few days a week flipping AH mats for free wow sub.
I think flying gave people butt hurt really. They couldn’t handle it and lashed out. Here we are today with a crappy system compared to the fun of back then.
I thought it was just because no one is there due to them being totally inconvenient for everything other than a JC trainer. Add that into portals in Shatt, and you have the kiss of death.
Yes. It is. Just because lfd and lfr contribute to the problem doesn’t mean flying didn’t start it. Even with lfd and lfr people still go out in the world to farm stuff… but with flying you never see them run by you. You never get that random buff… help killing the mob that was gonna kill you… help against that player that was going to gank you.
In TBC it was something new and exiting. After TBC it was showing how wow wasnt intended to use flying for anything more than quick travel. It doesnt flow well with the game mechanics, this could be a restriction of the tab targeting system that WoW uses. Flying doesnt feel good to use other than press button hold space and fly straight up and go to X. There is little to no interaction and little to no gameplay to interact with. Normal mounts have the world to interact with as you transverse the world faster but there is the downfall of being knocked off and since you are now larger its easier to see you in a world at war with 2 factions. It makes sense lore wise for soldiers to sit on horses.
Flying takes gameplay away as it is intended to fly over everything and get places quicker. It removes parts of the word and allows players to stop interacting natively with the landscape. BC and onward tried to make there be a vertical part of the landscape to compensate but this is a lazy way to try and improve what is a flawed system to begin with.
The main issue is there is no gameplay or interaction. Most games try weird gimmicks with mounts by having spells or leveling mounts, etc… Blizzard hasnt done anything other than add skins and more random things to fly around.
If they created a way for Flying to be more then fast travel A to B then it would fix most of the issues Players have with flying.
Could be a variety of other things, but there’s no flight, so no one wants to be there. Portals are a whole other issue.
They should have built more on WPVP areas like they began with in a lot of the Outlands zones like in Zangar or Nagrand.
But flight ruins those because there’s no real reason to engage the mechanics added to it (like the air raids you could launch on Halatali or w/e it was called)
Have you never been dismounted in the TBC zones flying over the opposing factions’ area?
They have flying guards that shoot you out of the sky. Flipping sucked.
Edit: Skyguard dailies had aerial mobs as well. Made the dailies hella hard if you didn’t have epic. Same as the BEM dailies. You could be shot down/killed easily.