There is not a single tank that cant do +15 content. That is the only milestone that matters. Every tank can do it so every tank is meta.
+20, but yes, your sentiment is correct.
Meta comps are never needed. 
I am sorry it is 2000 Raiting to get the mount⊠Not based on +15 in every dungeon. Every tank can get to 2000 raiting. that is the milestone.
By definition, a meta will always exist because the meta is simply the optimal group comp. Nerf 1, another will become the new best and thus the new meta.
And every spec already is capable of pushing content up to the prestige level. Just because tryhard groups donât think that and that only applicants who are âmetaâ can be invited doesnât make it factually so.
Nerf Ret
Again. Number crunching metas are NOT needed. Everyone should be able to do the content.
Warriors in SL : âWe need a few buffs, the talent reshuffle really left us with poor talent placementsâ
DK in SL : âlel bro, I canât hear you over the sound of this Death Strikeâ
⊠a few moments later
DK in DF : âahaha, nice Mr. Warrior, please help me get buffsâ.
Says the walking corpse that failed so hard in battle that they got killed, and then raised as a slave by the Lich King. Lord Illidan knows the way !
Iâll give YOU a chance, since you were a Sinâdorei, and that counts for a lot, just saying.
Sooner or later people will have to see that the guy in charge has terrible vision for this game. Iâm not a fan and I hope we get new leadership from the top down! Letting meta exist the way it does harms the game. Big time
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Itâs been this way for 18 years, itâs the same in every other game with a competitive element.
Everyone âcanâ do the content. People âhaveâ done the content. Pugs expecting anyone they run with be the short list of meta or otherwise overperforming specs doesnât mean other specs are incapable of performing at the level needed.
100%. I miss seeing the variety of classes doing end game stuff and itâs become few and far between. They really need to sit down and do the math and cut abilities. Classes have a boat load of button bloat that should be condensed around 12 buttons. And some of the buttons can be passive abilities. Stuff like buff stuff can be on an above bar, but when it comes to attacks many classes are way over 12 buttons. It makes balancing hard (and this is not including the talent tree stuff).
Not sure how that is relevant here. Tanks are wildly overtuned, ret can do weird stuff. Both facts are true.
I keep thinking back to bears in Legion.
In Nighthold, there were slightly more bear tanks doing high-end content than there were Blood DKâs and Brewmasters. But the 3 were pretty close. The other 3 tanks were way behind, by comparison.
Other tanks - especially Prot Warriors - broke out the torches and pitchforks and made thread after thread after thread on the PTR forum demanding massive nerfs to Druids. Not buffs to the other tanks, no. Specifically, nerfs to Druids tanks.
Blizzard responded by removing Mark of Ursol from the game. Mid-expansion. (Are there any other examples of key spec abilities being removed in the middle of an expansion? I canât think of any.) And then they gutted the rest of the spec when BfA came out.
So yeah.
Itâs time for Ignore Pain to be removed from the game. Immediately. If Mark of Ursol - which was way less powerful - had to go, then Ignore Pain needs to join it. Right now.
Blizzard isnât going to bring the other 5 tanks up to Prot Warrior levels.
The very notion is laughable. You suggest a package of buffs for any other tank to bring them up to that, and everyone would just say, âThat would be overpowered.â
But for some reason itâs fine on Prot Warriors, right now.
Honestly, go right ahead.
Never understood the appeal of Ignore pain. Bake it into Shield block. I want more rage for Revenge.
Blood DKs already making a come back and rising.
Prot warrior âlevelsâ isnât even that high, considering SL S3/S4 BDK existed.
That would be awesome I might actually pvp as I only play tank.
The end of BFA was fun in BGâs going 1 vs 10 and not being able to be killed and slowly killing them one by one.
And in my experience, pugs that stick to meta donât invite outside of meta. But metas shouldnât exist anyway. Content is and can be done without number crunching. The balance between specs is so horrible, for far to long, itâs so ridiculous. Because the same specs are always on top for awhile and if people arenât those specs they are left out of content they want to do.
Part of the blame is on the community for following metas for invites. Iâm tired of it so I invite anyone. You canât get better at content without experiencing it over time and people spend hours trying to form groups in the group finder.
But itâs also on Blizzard to cut the bloat and make the numbers more stream line.
This isnât just about pugs. Itâs also about tanks and healers being a drag on their team because they canât solo bosses like Prot Warriors can, or they do 30% less healing in raids compared to Evoker or Druid healers.
(The healer class imbalance is horrible right now, too.)
It was easier to balance. Patch one meant balance and sanity restored. When the current guy took over itâs been a nightmare ever since. Heâs trying to balance all classes to fit all niches of the game instrad of balancing out the niches of game. His vision is terrible. Heâs a trrrible fantasy game lead. We need someone to come in and wrap this up. Iâm heard they brought chilton back