So as a follow up, lets say the choice is between Priest and Druid, dont ever intent to tank so thats moot… which way do you go and why?
Remember this is PvE AND PvP focused.
Thanks
Druid. Stealth, mobility, and constant dev attention. Priest has none of those. And a choice of all 4 roles.
Play what you enjoy more. If you don’t know, sample both, then make a decision to commit. The answer anyone here gives you is irrelevant if you end up not liking the subforum-decided decision anyways. You’re just going to hop to the other class and you’ll have wasted your own time in the end.
You just won my heart
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Of course, but the thing is i enjoy both, so i am asking for other peoples take to fill in the gaps for what i dont know, such as from the alpha, or may not have thought about.
If i clearly enjoyed one or the other more, i wouldnt have asked.
but thanks
My biggest problem with shadow leveling thus far is that if my Voidform isn’t used strictly at the start of a fight, I’m stuck piddling around watching my precious combat power dissipate with absolutely nothing I can do about it.
If Blizzard would just let Voidform end immediately as combat ends, it wouldn’t feel so bad. Let the present Voidform stacks convert to Lingering Insanity. And the hate while questing wouldn’t be existent. Having Void Eruption available for quests and trash packs in dungeons would make the spec feel much better. It probably wouldn’t fix the ACTUAL DPS concerns, but so long as I don’t FEEL like a flop-sack of onions, it wouldnt feel so bad. It would probably also clean up lower level Mythic+ keys.
I also noticed that there are a lot of cinematically forced stops. If my character is stunned, while in Voidform, as part of a scripted monologue; my damage is toast.
I see that there’s a PvP talent that protects from this. But I don’t get to bring it into dungeons. Seriously, it needs to be baked into the spec. If you want mechanics to not feel awful, you have to stop the Voidform drain.
Lingering Insanity needs to be baked into the spec too. Honestly, Lingering Insanity was a desperately needed second wind for leveling. It really should have been there all along, with how critical it is to make the spec function. I didn’t have a problem at low levels, because my damage was artificially propped up. But as soon as my damage fell more inline, not having LI was horrid.
This is kinda what I would like:
Light ramp up to get to voidform and the stacks of voidform are static. With higher level gear it would just slowly close the gap to get to voidform.
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Heres the thing, i agree voidform sucks, but, instead of having everything baseline, make its bonus worth it.
These kids of mechanics that give windows of higher burst… i kind of like them, but that have to be actually worth it.
We shouldn’t need voidform to be competitive, voidform should put us over the top for that window.
And, it needs to be accessible up front or on demand in some form for surprise situations such as PvP such as with Dark Ascension.
I guess what im saying is i dont so much think its the problem as much as how its been implemented.
But im sure some of you have much more experience with it than i do at this point so my opinion is likely moot.
Yeah, the issue is they tried this. In legion this is how it was, and it led to the top spriest players blowing every other dps away to the point that it was unfair.
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That would seems simple enough to adjust though, they somehow manage that with other specs. Well except of course mages who must always be in the OP S zone.
All im saying is that the difference between them shouldnt be so drastic. Sounds simple enough… idk.
I feel part of the hate for voidform also lies in how gear dependent it makes shadow. The “right” azerite traits are far more vital for shadow because they ARE your voidform scaling. The “right” stats are far more vital for shadow because they enable you to go bigger on your voidform. I think this has been the case since voidform has been a thing, but shadow is comparatively more gear dependent relative to other dps. This is on top of other existing gameplay gripes.
You can make Open World Questing work on any spec. Some will have it easier than others (like all things).
However, when you try to end-game as a DPS spec you have to be really competitive because there are ton of DPS players out there. Right now groups will choose many other DPS specs before picking a SPriest because they bring more ease/survivability/utility/damage to the party than an SPriest can.
So it’s not a question of “can SPriest do it” but rather a bunch of other specs “excel” at it.
When this happened back in legion, about 95% of spriest damage was balanced. The issue will always be that top 5% of players who take the spec to a whole new level. Blizzard balances around those 5%. So that’s why spriest is poop now. Cause we’re too good.
And before you say it, yes this is bad class design. If a class is either broken OP, or broken nerfed, then the base design is significantly flawed.
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#removevoidform thats all you need to know
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Honestly, i would remove shadowform itself in addition to voidform. What the point, are you ever not in it? Much like Boomkin form for Druids… thier base self is never used.
I get it we use shadow, but warlocks use fel and dont glow green so… just back the bonuses into the baseline form in the spec and viola, problem solved.
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Ive learned the first mistake when looking for class advice/questions is coming to these forums. No matter what class forum you go to, its all negative, always. People on these forums like to create the illusion that they are all tryhard, Mythic this and mythic that.
These people with all their #removevoidfrom spam are the worst, and most are just copycats trying to give people the idea that they too are some pristine player when in reality they’re all just trash, all.
If youre having fun, thats all that matters. People who complain for changes are the worst players of all, the good players are in game making it work.
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actually a lot of the top shadow priests dont like void form either. all it takes is a simple visit to the discord. stop pretending like youre some great player because youre not.
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you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. lol
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Yes. Everyone is the WORSTTTT because we don’t like voidform cause it’s OBJECTIVELY flawed in design.
It’s not like it’s a new thing that they can try to fix or rework. They had YEARS and have only made it worse instead of better.
But yeah. Everyone who doesn’t 100% worship blizz, and say everything about the game is amazing are just terribleeee. Grow up.
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Is there another class in the game where it’s common for people to recommend leveling in the healing spec, because damage while questing was only slightly less but survivability was way better? I’ve leveled everything but pally and I’ve never seen it.
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