Several great talents are locked behind summoning Xuen, but more importantly, behind talents that rely on Summoning Xuen even if you dont talent into summoning him. Xuen’s Bond(Xuen cooldown reduction and Xuen base damage increase) and Empowered Tiger Lightning(more Xuen damage based off of your damage) block several talents that have no need for summoning Xuen.
Xuen’s Battlegear(increased crit chance for Rising Sun Kick after full channel of Fists of Fury, and RSK crits reduce FoF cooldown), Skyreach(Tiger Palm dash and crit chance increase), Last Emperors Capacitor(Crackling Jade Lightning nuke), and Transfer the Power(Blackout Kick and Rising Sun Kick increasing Fists of Fury damage) are all locked behind these abilites, or having to pick Summoning Xuen.
Even Fury of Xuen(FoF has chance to summon Xuen and increase haste) is locked behind Summoning Xuen, but I find it perfecttly acceptable if Xuen was sumoned for a brief time off of FoF even if you dont have the talent to Summon Xuen directly(although just getting the haste buff and no Xuen would be better in my opinion.)
I really dislike summoning a pet as a monk, and having some really cool talents and possible talent combinations locked behind Xuen, and also two dead talents if you dont take Xuen, such a waste.
Personally what i find really fun is the crit FoF build. Getting a huge RSK crit chance after FoF, plus the Skyreach crit chance leads to drastic FoF cooldown reduction. And with possible haste reducing FoF channel time(which i wish there was more of. 4 sec channeling FoF is such a long time without being able to interrupt, use a movement ability, or run out of range.
If they swapped positions of “empowered tiger lightning” with “fury of xuen” (row 8-3 and row 8-4) this problem would resolve itself. You could choose to forgo the Xuen talent and only take a chance to randomly proc him. This means that you wouldn’t be buffing an ability you don’t have, instead giving you a random chance to proc that ability without speccing into it.
I too would like to create a build without Xuen, but happy for him to randomly proc without my control as a compomise so I can reach the talents I actually like.
I mentioned this same frustration in another post but it has improved since then.
You would have to replace both Empowered Tiger Lightning and Xuen’s Bond because both of those nodes are the alternate path to Xuen and it makes no sense have Xuen-centric abilities there. I suggest pushing the abilities that have nothing to do with Xuen to those nodes and having the direct line down from Xuen be fixated on augmenting Xuen. For example, Keefers, Transfer the Power, Xuen’s Battlegear and Emperors Capacitor all make more sense and mean that you can avoid taking Xuen without being punished by having to select nodes that improve him.
This way your interchange nodes that connect you with WDP and FFG aren’t related to an ability you might have avoided earlier in the tree.
I feel like this would be a reasonable fix. https://imgur.com/oc8TtU8
Let’s be honest here. A lot of that middle bottom section is bloat.
Empowered Tiger Lightning shouldn’t be a talent to begin with. Just bake it back into Xuen like it is now. Xuen’s Bond shouldn’t exist in its current form. Either buff the CDR so it lines up with every SEF/Seren or just delete it. And Invoker’s and Fury of Xuen should honestly be fused since they have very similar interactions with Xuen.
Keefer’s should be a PvP talent, which is a whole other can of worms.
I actually really like keefers in PvE and with Xuen’s Battlegear I think it will synergise really well.
I agree there is some serious bloat in there but I dont think Keefers, Transfer the Power or Xuen’s Battlegear are it and they are still held hostage by Invoke Xuen.
Agreed.
Agreed.
this is actually what i want to run. There is some serious Fists of Fury cooldown, especially in AoE if you switch targets for Tiger Palm every 6 seconds to keep that crit rate up
I don’t think they’re bloat either. Just for the record.
As for Keefer’s and XBG. I think there is potential, but lining that up is gonna be dodgey and sounds better on paper than in practice. It looks like it’ll mostly be generating extra “cleave” via 100% crit RSK and Keefer target swapping, not counting the extra cleave we get from Keefer’s buffed FoFs with target swapping.
I have tried it on PTR and honestly it doesn’t seem to janky to utilize. Anytime you want to reduce the CD on FoF you can target swap, TP>RSK and then hope your BoK resets your RSK for a second use. 4 globals can reduce FoF by 11 seconds which is much more possible with Keefers.
I guess we will see but it definitely felt good using TP after I had lined up all my cool downs to guarantee some serious burst.
Yeah i think its good gameplay, and i dont think there would be much in terms of balancing issues because you can already get it, just without wasting talent points on Summoning Xuen or dead talents without choosing Summoning Xuen
Totally agreed.
Non Xuen related talents shouldn’t be held hostage under Xuen related talents…and you shouldn’t be able to take Xuen related talents w/o taking Xuen itself.
The logic in the WW tree is off here.
Please fix.
Sort of annoying that I have to take Xuen in order to use other talents that I enjoy using a lot more, especially considering Xuen only makes up for like 1% of my damage overall, even when taking the talents that buff him. It just feels weird that I have to take a pet summon that hits like a wet noodle in order to get to talents that provide a lot more of my damage.