This is not gaslighting - learn the meaning of the term. It’s a question.
Gaslighting is making the other person question their own opinions of “what really happened” and their overall perception reality.
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Your 3rd post on the forum and you’re the one telling people to touch grass and being aggressive. People, much like yourself, who come to the forum screaming about the “toxic community” are almost always the toxic ones.
Well, I don’t group, nor talk to anyone in the game. Hard to be toxic when I refuse to engage in the toxic community.
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You are the common denominator, not the rest of the players.
Did you read my post? How can I be the common denominator if I refuse to group because of the toxicity of grouping?
The last time I grouped for a dungeon, I needed something for a quest. I let the party know, and was vote-kicked. I was not at the bottom of the damage meters, we never wiped or came close. It was just an F off from the group.
Which is exactly what you tried to do— twice.
And yet you are grouping, considering you just told us all about all of these toxic people you consistently run into and the LFR you ran.
It can’t be both.
Have a better day.
Where? And yes, I am grouping only in LFR because I get lost in the crowd and can stay quiet. I should have specified 5-mans.
I don’t know why you are bothering with either one of them because both have said from the start of this thread that they basically figure people that would play with AI instead of players are wrong and that this system shouldn’t be expanded and if it is that you should somehow be punished for using the system rather than playing with other players so you aren’t going to convince them it’s a good thing even though it is.
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Yeah, that’s why I’m done with them now. I didn’t read the entire thread so I may have missed their previous comments.
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It’s basically been about how you should play how they enjoy playing and if not then you shouldn’t be allowed to get the same rewards even if you do the same amount of work or if you do say get higher versions like heroic or mythic 0 eventually that you should be gimped on loot or not get it at all, none of it has been positive.
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That’s quite a lot of stuff to make up that never happened.
- No one is “wrong.” Opinions are opinions. Logical deduction based on the game genre and the feature style is an explanation. Not someone being right or wrong.
- No one is being “punished.”
You can have your opinion. But maybe stop being so hostile and making stuff up, both of you.
You over here claiming we’re “angry” and “gatekeeping.” The rogue over there claiming “you must feel threatened.” None of this stuff even makes any logical sense.
Take a step back. Go read up on how story modes have worked in other games, look at how Blizz sees end game progression content in this game and then try to understand a different perspective, instead of trying to silence people.
The hypocrisy around here is astounding.
I don’t have to make up anything anyone can look at your post history and see what you’ve said about this topic, none of it is good.
Even in the last hour you’ve been on about do this or that instead of this or that because you are trying to tell people what to do.
As if.
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Yep. And none of what you said happened.
You mean where I’ve explained things in a very polite and logical manner? Mkay.
Literally nowhere has this happened.
Which is ironic, considering you keep trying to get me silenced, your comments have been nothing but hostile towards me and you keep trying to tell me what I should be doing.
Again, the hypocrisy in this thread is real. Y’all get so mad that people try to silence other opinions— and then the moment someone has a different opinion than you, it gets attacked and silence.
If you think I’m going to stop explaining things so that people can understand another perspective of how Blizz may be looking at this, just because you and a few others keep trying to get me silenced… think again.
Information is good. Perspectives are good. Opinions are good.
I had no attitude towards you whatsoever, but you came at me with it. Think on that for a while. Goodbye.
Maybe you should stop expressing opinions no one asked for.
You don’t wanna do follower dungeons don’t.
You wanna call it story mode and don’t want it expanded because someone might end up in same gear as you too bad if it happens it happens you still don’t have to do it or use it.
Nothing about what you have said is helpful so trying to beat that drum and anyone that’s as you said come at you is your own doing.
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It’s not going to solve anything besides those folks don’t want to play with other people and now they won’t have to. Expecting a massive influx of tanks and healers to LFD because they learned from followers is just the path to disappointment.
Most casual guilds raid 1-2 nights a week for a couple hours, hardly a part-time job.
I’d be extremely surprised if blizz nuked their /played by letting this be a thing.
And there it is. Thanks for proving my point!
Made larger and bolder to point out what’s happened this entire thread.
I rest my case. 
Give me a break you are always trying to play the victim, I can see why so many bring up past stuff with you.
You have done nothing but be rude in this thread and telling people how they should play because it’s how you play, you are in the wrong here and your own comments show it, I’m also blocking you now.
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Absolutely nothing I said is any sort of “victim” complex. LOL what?
Who knew giving information and explaining that if people just looked at how story modes work in other games and how Blizz looks at progression content, they’d have that perspective to understand why this isn’t more than it is… is somehow “rude.”
You can’t handle logic and facts?
Absolutely nowhere did I tell anyone how they should play. The drama here is real.
You mean barely, mostly solo and only run low keys with my guildies? LOL sure thing.
Wrong about what? Can you show me how a comparison to already existing modes like this feature in others games is wrong? Can you show me how explaining how Blizz sees things historically and how this mode is currently set up is wrong? Can you show me how pointing out this is an MMORPG with certain characteristics is wrong?
Guess I’m not going to get a mature and logical conversation out of you, then. Not surprising, seeing as how personally you took things.
People really need to stop getting so angry at other opinions and giving information based off of what we know and precedent. Geebus.
I am failing to see why there is so much vitriol in this thread. It is very clear and evident that one can enjoy WoW with or without other people. This doesn’t require a Council of Nicaea to settle on what is the orthodoxy.
Blizz has the data. They know how many people raid, do dungeons for leveling and endgame, PVP, belong to guilds and all of that. They have metrics on what percentage of players participate in the various chats such as trade, general and so on. As a result they will allocate resources to areas where there is player activity or, perhaps, where they are hoping to reinvigorate player activity.
The point is Blizz is making a lot of solo content as well as the flagship content of raids and dungeons while kind of, sort of making PvP viable without it becoming something forced on those not interested. It’s all available based on our interests and goals.
I remember how elated I felt taking down the Lich King in Wrath when that was endgame. I also remember the hours maxing my DPS rotation, gear, enchants and the nearly 50 wipes to get to that point. – Never said we were good. 
– But I also remember thinking I never want to do this again. The people were wonderful and a couple of them I still chat with outside the game. It was just too much effort for the reward – for me. Others thrive on these challenges and I’m cheering you on.
Personally, I can count the number of toxic players I’ve encountered on one hand. Most are indifferent or nice. I usually get “thank yous” for buffs and a “\bow” for jumping in and helping someone who has over pulled. Likewise, I don’t think GD folks are toxic, though you good folks resort to ad hominems far too quickly over differences of opinion. With seven decades lived, I can’t remember a single time getting in the last word made me a better person. Being respectful and nice makes for much happier reflections of the past.
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Because the forums is full of these type of people that wants to gatekeep and promoting forced content on solo who just want to do things on their own. And no doubt this feature will expand into heroic and maybe even mythic 0.
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