The relationship is different because of David. Early figures in the narrative demand of G-d and Jacob even wrestles with G-d to squeeze a blessing out of him.
Depends on the story whether the inconsistency matters or not. All this stuff with Shadowlands and the lawsuit made me look back and realize how inconsistent the lore of WoW is.
Speaking of Wolverine iirc there was one where Wolverine worked with the Punisher, and the Punisher kept attacking Wolverine and Wolverine took it without retaliating - even a punch in the gut would’ve made sense. For me that breaks suspension of disbelief. That’s different from, say, Wolverine having a moment of politeness or extra viciousness.
That last paragraph sounds like you’re trying to imply something. Sylvanas’ gender is neither here nor there, but there’s plenty to dislike her for.
Sorry, last paragraph was directed not at you, but at the discussion in general.
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Yeah. Id say that WoW characters are a bit separate from the stories into which they are placed. They are avatars, voice actors and character sheets. You like them or you dont. You like the way they look, their sound clips, and their archetype, or you hate it. If you are looking for consistency in their stories, or depending on their writers to make them cool, you’ll be disappointed.
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A certain comic that has Captain America saying “Hail Hydra” would say otherwise.
I fail to see why it is has to be one or the other. Either you like them, even with their inconsistencies in characterization from plot point to plot point or you don’t like them full stop. Why does it have to be so black and white?
Sylvanas is not the only character that has people liking how they are written in one thing and not the other. Deathwing is a prime example of that. His characterization in the novels / short stories is completely different to how he is written in Cataclysm. Even the short story, “Charge of the Aspects” has that original novel style Deathwing over the raging loud mouth Cata presented. Even though it takes place DURING Cataclysm. Deathwing only gets angry in that short story because of Thrall refusing to see things “his way” and why he would side with N’zoth.
The only time the raging mouth piece Deathwing makes any bit of sense in relation to his negative character arc is Madness of Deathwing. As it seems more like N’zoth has taken over completely. What was left of Neltharion is completely gone at that point.
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Yeah, that did nothing to my opinion of Captain America as a character. If anything it affected my opinion of the writer I didnt care to note.
Fun fact, one of the canons (dogma) of the First Council of Chalcedon (iirc) declares dogmatically for all Apostolic Christians that Jacob was wrestling with Jesus specifically
Video games aren’t comic books nor comparable media and we shouldn’t be settling for that dynamic because what is gold for comic book media is slop for video games
We deserve better than slop
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I mostly blame Disney and their terrible take on pagan gods and stories that has resulted in the decline of movie and video game storytelling. Everyone’s trying to make their version of the avengers
And they need to stop
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That makes sense, because of John chapter 1. Or rather, if John 1 is cannon, that is the only theological possibility. YHWH interacts with the universe through His Word.
I didnt mean to excuse bad writing, only to point out that liking WoW characters (being a fan of) specifically is not dependent on decades of story consistency. If they suddenly had Varian Wrynn show up and be a pitiful sad sack like Joaquin Phoenix as Johnny Cash, I wouldn’t stop being a Varian Wrynn fan. He still exists in the media I enjoy. He can still be written in that role. He’s not a person and at this point, it is unrealistic to expect actual character growth from every character over the entire narrative. He’s a piece they have to use for the puzzle they are putting together out of pieces of different puzzles.
So Im a fan of Sylvanas. I like her aesthetic from bc to bfa, because I am deep down an eternal teenage boy. I like her voice acting. I like her lines. I like the personality they developed for her. I enjoyed the way she was used in Wrath and Cata, and again in Legion. That didnt change when they mucked up every aspect of the story including how they used her.
Im still a fan of all those things and its silly how people are like “I used to like Sylvanas, but then she burned Teldrassil”. No. She didnt. She’s just a character being used in a story you dont like. You dont have to stop liking a character because you dont like the way she’s being used.
But then again, Im a hypocrite, because I just trashed Joaquin Phoenix mostly because I hated gis character in Gladiator.
There’s a lot of characters you can like the idea of, but maybe not every presentation. For instance, if pressed, I’d say my favorite comic book character is Mary Marvel and boy howdy does that come with some baggage to unpack when you get into like 90% of her actual appearances. Concept is solid and I love her, though.
The difference between that and WoW is that, aside from Hearthstone and HOTS, this is all supposed to be one solid, cohesive narrative with one version of the characters and very little branching.
I liked Sylvanas up until the Arthas 2: The Re-Arthasening got thrown up on the wall in Cata and I gently hit eject.
Edit: it is also possible Hellboy is my favorite comic book character, but he does have a single cohesive narrative, mostly, so not salient to my point. I grew up without electricity. I HOOVERED my local library and as much of the big city one as I could get.
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The World of Warcraft, is really the main character of WoW though. In much of the transnarrative where Sylvanas is the main character, the narrative is relatively solid. Even in AGW wherein she is a supporting character, she stays relatively solid. In Dark Mirror, Nathanos seems to be feeling something, almost akin to disgust, at her actions and even those are born out of a twisted love for him; which is consistent with Sylvanas’ Hexidecimal-esque split-personality that we’ve seen since BC. Every transnarrative that places Sylvanas in a starring or supporting role is consistent in their portrayal of her, but WoW is not about the characters, or the players. WoW is about the game, and the pieces are twisted to make room into which the game design can be shoehorned. Even class fantasy falls victim to this reality. The true Mary-Sue isnt even Azeroth. The real plot armor is on the dev team.
So no, I don’t dislike Sylvanas just because WoW needed a villain that could reasonably drag us to Shadowlands, and Sylvanas was the only one that fit, if you squint really hard. I do dislike the narrative that she’s been shoehorned into (and every expansion where the cinematic trailer is something other than the faction war fails in much the same way). I’m disappointed that Sylvanas is going out like this, but not as much as I’ll be if she doesn’t. The narrative seems to have done irreparable damage to the character.
Southshore should actually be getting rebuild rn, per Exploring EK. Fingers crossed Blizzard will actually decide to show it in game one day.
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What exactly in exploring ek leads you to believe SS is being rebuilt? In current lore, the scourge is rampaging across a defenseless Azeroth and the minimal forces left behind where pulled back to major population centers.
All the smaller settlements are abandoned or left to the mercy of the scourge. I could see the Syndicate moving in and helping the humans of Hillsbrad and Alterac, but no Alliance rebuilding. Actually, the Syndicate would probably do really well under those conditions.
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The Scourge is probably already defeated. That’s a major force to still deal with if they’re still around after 9.2. I don’t know how they’d lead to the next expansion if they’re still around.
It’s literally stated there.
https://i.imgur.com/gx2q2tX.jpg
I doubt Blizzard would go out of their way to mention this, hype Alliance players with it and then just go “oh the efforts failed because some random ghouls k sry bb”. Could still happen because it’s Blizzard but them upsetting players rn is not something they should be doing with the small amount of goodwill people have left for them.
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My question was genuine, so thanks for answering. Also, my representation of the lore is accurate as presented in game, so I would imagine that having the Alliance that we know is hiding out from the scourge, also rebuilding an out of the way settlement with no living settlers is stupid pandering. So I think you are right, and this is the only reason they are rebuilding southshore.
Alternatively, I would have the prepatch event recover Gilneas for the alliance, and UC for the horde. I would then have Gilneas helping SS rebuild through the next expac, and UC using TM as a launching point against the Syndicate.
*Edit: Just went to the link and that says nothing about them rebuilding. Acknowledges remaining threats. Thats it. I never denied that the Alliance officially recieved lands at the end of the fourth war. Only that they had the manpower to do much with them right now during the events of Shadowlands.
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There is a kyrian quest that takes you to redridge to ferry souls. The scourge are running rampant and there is nothing anyone can do about it because both armies were devastated during the 4th war. If you recall, Anduin said they were calling up farmers. There is no one left. All remaining troops are garrisoned at the main cities to hold off the scourge there. We didnt solve that problem before we left for SL, and prepatch zombie invasion was still under way when we went through the portal.
I’m sure Blizzard will just say that the Scourge was defeated offscreen and that there was suddenly enough numbers to handle the threat while we were away.
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