Fine way to say that the Horde had its leader overthrown for the second time in a few expansions LMAO
Trust me, you don’t want that kind of focus.
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I don’t think the Horde has it good honestly. They have it bad but in a different way.
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Actually, it has been. Blizz has always concerned themselves with superficial faction balance over story since Vanilla.
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Early during the prepatch it was a power fantasy moment for Blizzard to showcase how the Horde crushed through Alliance defenses and burn their capital.
Then it was about how Sylvanas denied the Alliance victory by rigging their prize to blow.
After that the entire narrative was about what the Horde (Sylvanas) would do next as the Alliance undid what they did or reacted to them. We had cinematics about the internal struggles of the Horde rather than their victims.
The whole narrative moved according to Sylvanas’ and the Horde’s wills.
Whether it was good or not it was still incredibly Horde centric and designed for you. I barely remembered who Saurfang was before they showed me his face everywhere.
You actually got concrete development for the Horde. I still don’t know if the High King is the emperor of the Alliance or just a military designation. The game is incredibly inconsistent of what the Alliance is or how it works. We just don’t get development for our faction like Horde does.
We get a race or a few high profile characters turned neutral for a patch or an expansion but never get actual development for the race themselves or our faction as whole.
Is it better to be shown how tragic your story is and then just be completely forgotten? Get given little crumbs that do nothing to address what happened or how to make it right?
You got something, the cinematic were of incredible quality and even if you don’t like their contents that is undeniable.
I don’t take any pleasure from Horde players get treated like crap. When Pellex said that Horde players should get to keep Sylvanas I said fine. But Sylvanas was what was promised to us for the past couple of years. What should we get instead?
We go no cinematic, no narrative focus, no resolution… we are still waiting for something and you said “Nothing” in a very dismissive tone.
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The writers are going to read all this and squeal with glee because they’ll think it means their writing is nuanced and provocative.
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That was mostly in regards to your statement of
I’m dismissive because you are being rather aggressive today.
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Depends what you’re referring to I guess ? I see can the death of Arthas giving justice to Blood Elves and Forsaken. Besides that…
I did not intend to be taken aggressive. I am sorry if I came across that way.
I meant it more as sarcasm.
Like if we can’t take action against the Horde, or the loyalist evil Horde or even Sylvanas who is the prime figure head responsible.
Literally what can Alliance get that resembles anything like justice to everything Horde (thanks to Blizzard) put them through?
Because to me the answer is nothing… there is nothing the Alliance can do and we are back to holding the bag and the Horde just walks away like nothing happened.
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Honestly, if Blizzard created a ‘loyalist evil Horde’ for Alliance to deal with for catharsis I’d be mostly fine with that (mostly only because more possible loss of characters is a bit annoying). Just keep that storyline Alliance only.
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I suggested just this very thing in another thread but some person shut it down.
It seems any suggestion of yet another Evil Horde faction within the Horde is a no go.
Btw factions are dead. Alliance is on life support… its time to merge the factions because when I play retail it is a ghost town. No one is online and no one is playing. So honestly whatever will happen it will be seen by both sides.
You want to weigh in?
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My thought would be split them off pre-emptively so the Horde isn’t really involved.
So basically making another of the ‘Dark Horde’ style NPC factions.
EDIT: but, until other people weigh in, no real way of telling how it would be recieved
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One person shutting it down doesn’t mean it’s not a valid solution. I doubt it will happen, but i can see why Horde fans wouldn’t want that. The reality is that Night elf fans need some resolution for Teldrasill genocide. Making Tyrande and Elune look like idiots isn’t the answer… Tyrande killing Nathanos by herself in Darkshore would have gone a long way in helping the Night elves feel some sort of satisfaction for what happened. But then…
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How about if they rebuild some of the places that were destroyed? I’d be fine with the Southshore area being cleaned up and resettled, for example.
It is for me. I’m flippin’ tired of that as a storyline.
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Having her just murder Nathanos rather then try to interrogate him would have also probably felt better for night elf fans.
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My thought was Sylvanas has to make amends to the Night Elves and the Horde.
We also need to explain why the Horde did go not against Sylvanas sooner.
At the end BFA Horde took the loyalists prisoner but even still some of them still insisted on their allegiance to Sylvanas.
So I thought why not use that?
Maybe another shadow council set up by Sylvanas during BFA to make sure the good horde people cannot interfere with her plans.
They break out the loyalists captured and it will be the story for the now merged factions of taking them out. Arresting them and then give them to the Night Elves as a way to make amends.
And the new returned Sylvanas will be doing her best to undo this organization with our help.
This would conclude for the final time the evil Horde storyline and there is no need to kill any well known characters but actually introduce some new ones that actually embody the Horde that was advertised.
I don’t think its a bad idea but its up to the Horde players to tell me if it is or not.
But this was the only thing I can really think of making the Horde make amends, introduce new characters, don’t take any away and actually explain why the Horde did not behead Sylvanas right after Teldrassil.
So the Horde won’t be getting anything rebuilt? If we are rebuilding things then both factions should get this and none of this addresses what the Horde put Alliance through.
You may not like your faction being the aggressor, but I don’t like being a victim neither.
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If it’s for a merged faction story, then I can see the point; I’d just hope it’s not required for anything so those of us that don’t want the experience can choose to avoid it.
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If there is anything Blizzard should learn is that they suck at making overarching main narratives. So everything should be localized zone quests.
Don’t like the quest? Just don’t do those zones.
let players do what they want.
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It’s often been noted that the Horde loses characters, and the Alliance loses cities. So, a rebuilt Alliance city seemed like a fair exchange for a reclaimed Horde character.
Heck, for all I care, they could even reclaim Darnassus somehow and just strip it of the capital city amenities if they’re determined to have fewer capitals. Make it like Bilgewater Harbor, which is cool-looking but doesn’t have a bank, auction house, etc.
Fortunately, the two problems have the exact same solution: the writers can just stop doing that. And I seriously wish they’d take it.
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I definitely support that this should never ever never happen again.
But if Alliance is getting things rebuilt then so should the Horde.
The entire world needs a revamp. I don’t think its fair to give Alliance zones revamp while the Horde is still stuck in cataclysm.
Why is it so bad to actually participate in taking out the bad horde? Delivering them to justice and all that?
In the hypothetical future revamp, you would also have to fight against evil alliance races and organizations similar to the scarlet crusade. Don’t you feel awkward that even after Sylvanas in the streets of Orgrimmar NPCs are still whispering “For the Dark Lady” like the Horde has literally learned nothing from their past mistakes?
Why wouldn’t you want to undo that damage and say for once and for all the Horde is what Thrall always intended it to be?
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What gets me is how the genocide of Teldrassil is getting…swept aside? I mean really Blizzard writers? Just gonna be like “Meh what ya gonna do.” On a plot point which should still be a big wound in the Warcarft universe?
I mean you don’t just ‘yadda yadda’ genocide, and we aren’t getting Teldrassil back. If we don’t get some kind of justice, or some kind of healing, for what happened this is gonna be the worst plot…in the history of the whole game.
Also I dunno about anyone else but I’d really like it if the next 3 expansions contain absolutely no Sylvanas. None, nada, zero. We need the story of someone else for a lonnnng while.
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