I never stopped liking Garrosh. Even when he tried to have Vol’jin assassinated and forced the Trolls to live in slums and called Sylvanas a witch with a ‘B’ I still really liked him. I just didn’t like the story they were telling with him.
It’s pretty much a similar story with Sylvanas - I still really like her as a character, I just despise the story that they put her in. The long, drawn out, mystery hokey-pokey full of double think and weird OOC moments has been terrible, but Sylvanas has still been likable throughout.
I am actually a newer Sylvanas fan - I used to hate her up until Caraclysm, then I did the revamped undead starter campaign and really enjoyed my time with her. I don’t mind the story writing her as being underhanded or out for herself, those have always been elements of the character. What I don’t like is when they make her actions contradict not just her words but her very thoughts, especially in the novels. The explanation that she has been used and manipulated by a God of Death this entire time is not a satisfying one, but again, it does not make me hate Sylvanas, just the writers choices and the story they are trying to tell.
Actually, it does but it all requires context and how they’ll have others within the story react to Sylvanas being whole again. You can’t ignore the fact that Sylvanas was literally manipulated by the jailer because he knew what was left in her. Anger and rage were tools for him. Ranger General Sylvanas would not have done this. Much like how Arthas outside of the jailer’s influence wouldn’t have done what he did. I’m hoping Arthas and Sylvanas play a big role in fighting the jailer.
There is a disconnect depending on favoritism. For example, why is it okay for Sylvanas to raise people like Derek and Delaryn as undead without their consent, but the naaru Xe’ra is widely reviled for trying to Lightforge Illidan without his consent? That’s a double standard.
The people raised into undeath weren’t in a position to consent to becoming undead due to being dead; even less capable of consenting than being unconscious. Sylvanas might not have forced them to serve her (initially), but she didn’t give them a choice about becoming undead in the first place.
Sylvanas may not have killed them, but she’s exploiting their deaths; what if they just wanted to stay in the afterlife?
No, no , no the soul thing is a explanation, but no excuse, sylvanas ISNT a innocent person, she could not feel the bad thing in full scale what she have done, BUT, she know, she was the one responsibel for everything
I thought it was in character for the old Horde which Garrosh came from. He used any advantage he could even if he didn’t understand it. He was also all about the Horde, mostly the Orcs of the Horde and Theramore was connected and close to their homelands on Azeroth and was a threat to that.
Until Kul Tiras, where they slaughtered villagers in front of their children. Probably children too, I can’t actually remember. Maybe they didn’t kill the kids. But either way, the Horde just has seemed really OOC to me since…a while now. It used to be all about strength and honor, didn’t it? Or did I imagine the honor part?
That depends on the writers. What happened to Sylvanas is impossible in the real world so you can’t apply the same standards of morality to the situation. They have to write into the story those standards and how the characters will interact with Sylvanas now.
The story has so many fractured portrayals of Sylvanas and the Horde it is easy to grab on to one and dissociate from the others. Instead of using shades of grey to paint the factions and main characters the writers have been using stark black and whites and hoping we stand far enough back so that they bleed together and form an illusion of grey. It just doesn’t hold up upon closer inspection.
Well… I was a Sylvanas fan right until BfA so I can’t reconcile it. I hate her character now, and I also think it’s a mess.
But I hate Blizzard more for ruining my favorite characters, so there is that.
Very easy - I simply no longer take any interest in the story post Legion, and go play TBC when I want to enjoy WoW’s narrative and environment (Yes, TBC’s story wasn’t great, but it’s better than SL, which makes me feel like my char got transported to some generic JRPG). SL basically exists only for meme fodder at this point.
Didn’t the writers go out of their way in BfA to take away any defense the Horde had for that battle? I forget the specifics but I remember some new (to BfA) lore that took the Horde fans arguement away. Possibly the bit about Sylvanas’ secret plan being the death of as many people as possible even at that time.
To my recollection (and there is an interview where the devs actually mention something like this, but I forget which one it is), they intentionally engendered the feeling of betrayal among the Alliance (characters) as sort of an early exercise in telling the same event from different perspectives. But, they never actually have pointed out to the Alliance player (or characters) that this “betrayal” is not correct, and they seem to have deliberately not corrected that misimpression.
Then, by continuing to dump on the Horde’s aspirations of heroism with all of BfA, they made it very, very easy to buy into this wrong impression. To the best of my knowledge, on the side of the Alliance, they have never made it clear that there was no Horde betrayal at the Broken Shore, and the mistaken telling of events has festered in the Alliance playerbase to the point that they will argue contra game facts to preserve the “betrayal” story.
I was much less of a fan of Sylvanas after she became Warchief.
I’ve always felt that the Warchief should be an orc. The Horde are not very homogenous. Each race in it has different cultural, biological, and substantive needs and only their leaders can fully represent and understand that. The reason why a Warchief should always be an Orc is because the Horde, ultimately, is an Orcish creation and other races had to adopt to an Orcish ideal of society.
The Forsaken have different needs on a physical, cultural, and even magical level. No one on Azeroth understands what it’s like to be Undead except for the Undead. Sylvanas becoming Warchief meant she had to care about the entire Horde, and not just be an advocate for the Forsaken and what they need to make the partnership advantageous. In Before the Storm, this was their reality because Sylvanas became so distant and wrapped up as Warchief that they had to form their own council and lead themselves.
The start of BfA just felt like Theramore 2.0 except done a lot less convincingly.