Entirely supposition on my part.
Log into your undead and do a /whoa
That and a few of the other vocal references would probably have been changed if the story arc was going to actually depose her for good. If not then I take that to mean that a change would have then led to them changing it back, and with the time constraints of SL they just left it as is for expediency.
With the redemption arc many (most?) of us didn’t want she will have the whole “I’m just a victim of undeath, like you guys are” dynamic again. It fits. If makes sense why Lillian isn’t really taking on more of a leadership role, and it would allow for the next hero class (probably Dark Ranger / Ranger IMO) to be undead and not another Elf only kit like DH is.
A - The Horde would sooner rip itself apart than re-admit Sylvanas. No one, not one important NPC on Team Red™ wants her back. She poisoned the well for Forsaken across Azeroth due to her little stunt. Not only that, the Alliance will lose their minds over it as well, and then a new war kicks off against the Loyalists and those that want to see the Banshee Queen finally die for good.
She has to pay for what she did, simply put. This isn’t even a matter of faction pride anymore, it’s a matter of ‘is murder a crime on Azeroth’ and if she gets to skate back into a leadership position then the answer is clearly ‘no’.
B - Racial restrictions on classes are one of the dumbest things that yet endure in this game. Plus, Dark Rangers are undead. There is no equivalent to that on Alliance side, so there’s a massive issue with parity. Now, if racial restrictions were being released? Fine, sure, go nuts.
I 100% agree, but for the writing she gets.
I believe it’s going to be a whole “forgive and forget” thing, like the Nelfs will do about their tree.
That’s a good point. Not sure what a fix for that would be. Allied race: Undead NELF would defeat the idea of loading a hero class onto a different race.
That is ALSO what I am ultimately worried about in regards to Sylvanas. That the writers will make the other characters go ‘oh right her good half’s back now we’ve got the whole shebang back’ instead of realizing ‘wait that evil half is still there and still committed those atrocities’.
She has to pay for the innocent lives she’s ended in a violent quest. Her good side would agree with this outcome and be willing to pay the price.
Then you run into another problem, which is the Alliance would have to effectively do a full 180-degree spin on their undead stance. Necromancy is a MASSIVE no-no throughout the entirety of the Alliance (and 90% of the Horde, but let’s not get into that quite right now), and they’re already really stretching to allow Death Knights into their employ because again, they have a bit of a history with the undead. Plus, Dark Rangers, I believe, were raised by Sylvie, so they would be loyal to Sylvie. Which could be a lore problem, I dunno the particulars.
No, we need to end her. Definitively and unambiguously. Whether through an NPC or a PC action, she needs to be true-death’d by the end of this expansion. Anything short of it is a miscarriage of justice to those whose lives she stole and ended.
Well if you belive the meme leaks, the current story is going to be she becomes the arbiter.
which if you think about it, is the only way that her story ends with out the forsaken gets screwed over. Shes dies and then sends the souls of the forsaken to their respective after life not just right down to giga hell maw.
I kind of think they were already doing that in Before the Storm when Anduin tried to reunite forsaken with their Human relatives. He really went all out on that and it took up maybe 1/3 of the book. There’s also 2 of the survivors of that in Oribos right now looking for their undead families. Also Jaina’s Brother and Arthas’ Sister are both undead now, as is Faol though that last part might not be common knowledge, though Faol is besties with Anduin as well.
Dark Rangers were raised by the Valkyr, who were definately subservient to Sylvanas, but there’s a cutscene at the end of BFA where the remaining Dark Rangers (NELF and UD) meet up with lillian, Darek Proudmore and Calia in the graveyard outside Brill and Calia says she will work with them to come to grips with their undeath, something like that, I’m paraphrasing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did something that stupid to the Horde. They made Magatha a follower in Legion. That just shows they don’t care how players feel their racial leaders.
Id love her to come back as a horde leader and put this all behind us.
Shes a great character and i wish nothing but the best for her.
I do however want her to stay out of the lime light for a bit. She doesnt need more attention for at least 2 expansions and even after that, not a role this big again.
I don’t really play Alliance, so I’m not super-informed about their politics, so I’ll admit my ignorance on that subject. That said, I despise Demon Hunter as a class simply because it’s so incredibly exclusive as to be insulting. Plus, if Undead NE become a thing, the Horde needs a new race as well. Again, faction parity and class restrictions make this kind of thing a real non-starter.
Sylvanas’s time is over, and her crimes are grave. She needs to die by the end of this expansion. No take-backs, no rewards, no ‘ascending to a higher plane’, none of that. I do not want to reward a villain.
Youre allowed your opinion and its fine to not like her. But just because you want her to die doesnt mean its going to happen.
Ive spent the last 5 years wanting tyrande to die and its still not happened yet. They keep finding ways to nearly kill her, but tyrande is still here.
You’re grasping. They’ve left it in for the loyalists, nothing more. When she’s gone, they may remove it, or still leave it in for the loyalists. Pretty cut/dry. Plus as you said, it allows the devs to save time/resources.
At this point I kind of hope she gets redeemed. Just to slap cancel culture In the face. But she has done some reaaaaly messed up stuff. So It’s a toss up.
Tyrande hasn’t decided to butcher a city of civilians just because an attempted assassination went bad. Our job is to dispense of villains when we finally corner them. We’re the heroes of Azeroth, and Sylvanas is very much not aligned with us in the slightest.
She deserves true death at this point. There’s no arguing around it.
The Forsaken would riot before they took Sylvanas back. She completely poisoned the well of trust the Forsaken had built with not just the Horde, but Azeroth as a whole. While certainly unwelcome in many parts, one of the key differences between Forsaken and ‘undead devouring legions’ was that the Forsaken weren’t trying to kill the planet. Sylvanas changed that with her declaration.