Now I know people have been wondering about why Sylvanas did what she did in her final battle with Sarufang and the loyalist ending explained it all.
You see when the Alliance and the Rebels marched on Orgrimar it was a last ditch effort and Sarufang not challenged Sylvanas the war would LITERALLY been Won or lost at the resulting battle.
Sylvanas wanted as high a bodycount as she could get and she realized the war would end at that battle. She ALSO knew N’zoth was free.
She did what she did so that when the Alliance and Horde march off to face N’zoth the fight will be as even as possible thus ensuring the battle will be as deadly as possible for both sides. She ALSO knew Anduin would likely not seek retribution against her former loyalists because it seems Sylvanas was just using them. This would anger Genn and Tyrande ENSURING the war would pick back up at a later date.
So what happened was NOT Sarufang getting the upper hand NOR Sylvanas actually losing her cool. This was an act while she was playing 4D chess. She abandoned the Horde because they and the war was no longer a use to her.
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Or maybe, like that time she let the most dangerous man on Azeroth escape because she didn’t want to quickly kill him, Sylvanas isn’t good at controlling her emotions or making poor decisions in them.
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She’s playing 7D Chess.
She’s gonna Make the Shadowlands Great Again…
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I think the initial outburst due to the wound WAS emotion driven and reactionary.
It hit her in a place that hurts (her failures), and revolved apparently a subject matter she’s a bit touchy on “Hope”. On the other hand, I think everything AFTER that initial burst (the “Horde is Nothing” part) was VERY deliberate. Just look at her face, look at her reaction to the Bannerbae giving her the “really b*tch?” look. She was mulling through her options, and I do think she decided at that point that there was little reason to keep up the facade.
She got what she wanted out the Forsaken and Horde. She was likely going to bail on the Faction soon even if there HAD been a second SoO. Saurfang’s actions merely ended the War slightly more prematurely than she wanted; but its pretty clear by her reaction there that it wasn’t REALLY a setback. Her Bulwark Against the Infinite no longer had any value to her (BOTH Horde and Forsaken) … so why keep pretending that it did?
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People need to stop assuming she’s doing this for anything other than herself. She’s not raising the body counts to fight N’zoth, she’s just doing it for her something something Death objective. If she actually wanted to fight N’zoth, she would have told Azshara where she can stick it. It’s kind of a bad idea to release the guy you’re trying to kill.
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She is though she is serving death (AKA whatever being that resides in the Shadowlands that Bwonsamdi refers to as boss)
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She is though she is serving death (AKA whatever being that resides in the Shadowlands that Bwonsamdi refers to as boss)
Bwonsamdi, as well as every other death aligned character, also mentioned that she keeps the souls she’s claimed. So she isn’t serving anyone other than herself.
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Bwosamdi keeps what he claims yet when Vol’jin turned up missing he said “the boss is not gonna like this” for all we know whoever is signing his paycheck is doing the same for Sylvanas.
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That is a rather large leap considering what we know about Bwon.
He’s shifty, but he’s also been shown to be VERY possessive of the souls he keeps; and surprisingly professional about the souls he’s caretaker for. Hell, the entire dogma around Bwonsamdi is that he’s SO possessive of the souls he’s due, that Trolls are not supposed to practice ANY form of necromancy (because its denying him what is his). Hence the reason ONLY the Darkspear and Zandalari have managed to remain in his good graces over the years. He even offers Talaanji an out to her father’s deal with him if she gives him Sylvie’s head.
Bwon may have a boss … but I remain uncertain if it is the same entity as the one Sylvanas is currently feeding.
Helya then …maybe the Deal she struck with Sylvanas was MORE than just for a fancy lantern.
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My genuine guess is that Sylvie is working for (or in relation to) Yogg-Saron.
The Self Proclaimed God of Death. “Hope’s End”. The one who turned Loken, who in turn turned Heyla (according to Xal). The one who’s whispers during the Uldaur raid Sylvanas seems to have taken to heart; and more importantly the one’s who’s blood she splattered herself against after the defeat of Arthas. I mean, didn’t you think it strange that a Titan Watcher like Heyla was sporting so many fleshy tentacles? As if she were corrupted by the “Curse of Flesh”?
And as a strange tangent. A LOT of people assume that N’Zoth is the weakest of the Old Gods, but there has always been a rumor that N’Zoth was merely the most clever … and allowed himself to lose to Y’Shaarj to spare himself from the full wrath of the Titans (they targeted Y’Shaarj specifically because he WAS perceived as the strongest). However, there is an interesting bit of dialogue in Bastion of Twilight that even I missed from Cho’Gall.
“Foolish mortals - (Usurpers children!)”
"Nothing you have done - (SPAWN OF A LESSER GOD!)"
“I am trying to speak here! (Words, words, words! The Master wants MURDER!)”
“All falls to chaos. ALL will be destroyed. (Chaos, chaos!)”
_“Your work here today changes nothing. (Chaos, chaos, all things END!) _
"No mortal may see what you have and live. Your end has come.”
Cho’Gall’s MASTER is C’Thun (the Old God of Madness and Chaos), who does have a strong presence in that raid (DESPITE his apparent death in AQ). But, he refers to US the PLAYER as the “Children of the Usurper. The SPAWN of a Lesser God”. When combined with Il’gynoth’s quotes “Flesh is HIS Gift. HE is your true creator”; “Welcome death. Do not fight it.”; “Release your grip on hope.”; and finally “Oblivion offers solace. Take the gift! Take it!” … who do you think Cho’gall was referring to as a LESSER GOD? Yogg-Saron “Hope’s End”, the creator of the “Curse of Flesh” and the “God of Death”?
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I’m at work. Someone put the Limitless meme on this thread now!
Yogg Saron is dead though we killed him in Ulduar. It was confirmed that Helya is still alive and regaining strength and her quick recovery makes sense if Sylvanas is feeding her souls.
We killed an avatar of Yogg-Saron, and as of a Magni Quest in Legion his presence has begun re-asserting itself strongly in the Halls of Uldaur. C’Thun was dead, yet his presence is RIDDLED throughout Bastion of Twilight (THREE expansions later). Hell, there was even a scrapped questline involving him again from that expansion. Even Y’Shaarj was able to manifest his influence through merely his heart (and the Island Expeditions hint even HE has survived in some weakened state).
Old Gods do not seem to have the same relationship with death as mortals do…
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What we fought were REMNANTS of his essence a FAR CRY from Yogg Saron himself. They can be killed however just not by something as big as a Titan.
If they can be killed as easy as you are suggesting than Titan CONSTRUCTS should have been able to finish them ages ago. If they can make immense prisons for them, then the armies of the Titans certainly could have killed them too. A Titan Keeper is really not that large conceptually.
Well you must remember the beings that slew the old gods were either NOT creations of he Titans or ones tampered with by he Old gods. That may have allowed us to succeed where the titans and their creations failed.
Well I am sure that Lantern wasn’t free…
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Yeah, the very reason he wants her head on a plate. Something about upsetting the balance I believe it was.
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All we saw was Helya reminding Sylvanas they had a deal. We do NOT know what that deal was. For all we know Sylvanas could have agreed to serve Helya in order for her soul to be spared the fate that Befell Arthas (Helheim is no prime vacation spot but its a LOT better where Arthas ended up.)
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