thats not where the story was going, funny you ignore the massive amounts of bad she has done, and focus on the very little good and I dont even need bfa to point any of this out honey
and if Gilneas wasn’t blighted out, Garrosh would have taken Gilneas for himself. It would have been a “True Horde” port, controlled by the Kor’kron. The Orcs would have dominated Azeroth. Blighting Gilneas saved the world.
darling i am not ignoring the amount of bad she did
like, i literally wrote that she is an evil character, yes, she did very bad stuff, very naughty and very monstrous thing (no sarcasm)
she is a fictional character, that was getting more interesting, that varian trusted, new page, new promising future for redemption right ahead
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and some people like to play evil aligned characters ! it is an rpg ! and if the developer makes it an option they either need accommodate it or just straight up give an end to it, which they didn’t do yet
You want a character that literally tortures and melts people, one that commits genocide, and wanted to murder her own sister just cause the sister wanted to live with her, to be redemed lol OK buddy
so? What does that have to do with anything your the one saying she shouldn’t be evil.
yes, that is how redemption works, you need to be a bad guy to be redeemed, otherwise we are talking about a hero character
do i need to bring up darth vader in this talk?
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Lets redeem arthas too then, wow has enough redeemed characters and btw darth vader died, he died to pay for his sins
Also darth vader fell to the darkside because he wanted to protect those he loved,
Sylvanas is evil because she only cares about herself and her own power.
She isnt darth vader, arthas is more like darth vader, Sylvanas is like the emperor at this point
darth vader wasn’t reverse jesus, he didn’t die for his sins, he happened to die after saving his son, if he still had a saber and stabbed the emperor in the throat, he would still be redeemed
and yes, i may not like that it is possible for arthas to be redeemed, but the seeds have been sown and it is perfectly possible and plausible for that to happen
how about i bring up vegeta then? the guy that used to destroy planets and torture people for fun and eventually got redeemed?
you need a bad for a redemption to happen
sylvanas is more like the emperor AT THIS POINT, but she wasn’t during cata, mist nor legion
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he literally died to bring balance to the force
That was vanilla
Nobody dies in dragonball
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yes, and bfa too
there is a time in between
rewatch the movie, it wasn’t his death that redeemed him
nor in WoW
come on level with me, we can talk
we are literally going to the afterlife lol full of dead people
yes ! the same happens in dbz
and come on, not only demons come back ever so often (like, didn’t we kill balnazar in 4 different expansions by now?) there are a lot of characters that come back from the dead … some times very often … like some 4 times … like sylvanas
If you read very carefully, I never said she was good … ‘Sorry bro’, some of us actually use our eyes to read before replying.
I was making the point that Blizzard was intentionally trying to make the players dislike her moreso. But hey feel free to feed your ego with ignoring what’s stated simply to be salty & express your hatred. 
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I am not sure about it to be honest. When I did worgen starting quests, she said something like “without raising more my race will be extinct”. Which to me ruined suspension of disbelieve.
The way I saw it was like “you suffered so much because of Arthas and now you’re going to force others to go through the same?..” I mean, maybe others can justify that, but to me it was a too rapid change. From enemy of the Lich King to wannabe all the worst of what he does.
I looked around a bit. I think that Dark Mirror and her interaction with Eyir clearly showed that she treated val’kyrs just like Arthas treated the forsaken when they were under his control.
The game failed to show that. But that did not happed during BfA, it seems.
You might be onto something. His body was in the water for a while. And now we know that shadowlands prior to Legion “recycled” souls. So it would not be too strange if this is not real or not full Derek.
That is a double edged sword. Would people really be happy to have the forsaken that drop their “anti-alliance” and “leave your past behind” attitude? I do not think there is a substitute for this “archetype” in the horde.
Maybe the goal was to show that for the likes of Zelling, Redpath, there is no place? Yet.
I do not want to defend the devs all that much… but guess how many people noted the phrase in Calia’s quest about “Lilian’s machinations…”? I usually see just the assumption that it is all but confirmed that her role is the leading the forsaken in the horde. But there is more to it.
Or another example. How many people noted that the phrases of Sylvanas are rather old and were said before:
I am nothing but one more component in the great machine, one that has been running since the Well of Eternity first shattered. The one thing that the original bits of Medivh and myself agree on is that this cycle needs to be shattered. Of this, I assure you, we are of one mind.
Just are, maybe just as runeblades are:
Behind the kneeling, wounded Magus, Khadgar could see the smoldering form of Lothar rise once more. The Champion (capitalized) stumbled forward, his flesh and armor still smoldering. He raised his runeblade once more and brought itn across in a hard, level swing.
© The Last Guardian
I mean, being subtle is not always a good choice.
And yeah, keeping it all in books are or side stories was not a good call IMO 
Well, she kind of treats the dark val’kyrs as slaves already and needed more. But it seems that the game somehow convinced the player that val’kyrs are loyal to Sylvanas 
That is an interesting thing. The person who val’kyrs saw in her memories and the person who Sylvanas became after she killed herself are not the same in actions and approach.
IMO she is not. But her selection of methods and tools makes it hard to distinguish what makes her special. I mean, we as players know more. But in the world? Read the journal of Whitesteed, and tell me how to spot a difference between the scourge and the forsaken for a regular person in the alliance?
She has reasons. But with such methods even best of reasons could be dismissed. (I did not add the link to claim that she is evil, just to highlight that she did not do a good job of convincing others in value of her reasons instead that is not how people perceive the forsaken)
gl hf
Small aside, but the “leave your past behind” sentiment wasn’t actually a thing until Before the Storm came out, and it caused a lot of resentment from forsaken fans I saw.
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Was it really a new thing though? I definitely remember that even in WotLK and before there were dialogues about how the living betrayed them. Seems like a logical conclusion to move to this “new life”.
Hating the living isn’t synonymous with forgetting your past, though. I’m pretty sure the whole thing was done just to further push the “Sylvanas is bad and you should hate her and be grateful when she goes away” direction that BFA further emphasized.
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Blizzard will not make me hate Sylvanas. Out of pure Spite against theis narrative I will support her until the bitter end without regrets.
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Ah, that could be the case. My limited knowledge sometimes deceives me.
It seemed to me that the memories of the past were like a heavy burden to some forsaken, hence they would want to leave it all behind. But maybe that is not the case, thanks for the comment.
gl hf