Sylvanas isn't evil. The Alliance is

Kannil-kilrogg · March 3, 2019, 6:50am

this is longest message chain that i ever seen.

Dalfurane-frostmourne · March 3, 2019, 6:50am

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

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Dalfurane:

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Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

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Dalfurane:

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Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Calaart:

lets use the orc camps for our example shall we?

firstly, I have no clue where these goblins came from that op mentioned.

Tell me, why did the alliance put the orcs into camps?

Ok, now tell me, what would’ve been a better alternative to the camps? mass executing them?

Calaart:

ets use the orc camps for our example shall we?

That’s a fact though.

Calaart:

Ok, now tell me, what would’ve been a better alternative to the camps? mass executing them?

They were put into camps, starved and forced to fight. A “better” choice? How about stop being ignorant and leave them alone?

How about the Orcs use their brains and stop following their demon “masters”? Oh I’m sorry WoD showed that they’re the good ol’ raaawr me kill innocent people on the new world anyway.

Sorry, I don’t follow. Are we talking about now or pre 1st war? Guilt by association is a cope out for people who need an excuse for the lack of restraint.

Give us a proven fact that the Orcs were not genocidal with or without Demon Blood.

Blizzard themselves threw your fanfiction in your face when they decided to make them angry genocidal monsters anyway without the demon blood.

Hm. I like this. It really is just stretching for any (non) logic you can find. Let’s get rid of personal choice, good or bad and ride with that guilt fallacy.

But why does this never apply to your faction though?

Step 1: Quote the post
Step 2: Attempt to look good by ignoring what is in the post and blame guilt fallacy when hard facts are in the game
Step 3: ??

Step 4: Profit or we blame other faction

What does this have to do with characters like Thrall, who was raised in said camps- starved and forced to fight? When he had nothing to do with these humans before hand? It’s almost like you are making excuses for abhorrent behavior and treatment of an innocent person.

Thrall doesn’t mean anything unless: would you like to accept that Garithos is not the be all and end all of Alliance evil “ness” as Horde players like you love to point out?

Also remember how “Garrosh is not the Horde”? Don’t paint your faction with one good brush if you are willing to paint the other faction with the evil brush.

Isn’t your arguments to explain away anything wrong that your faction has done? So why are you lecturing me?
I would love to hear you use the “demon blood” excuse in regards to Thrall though. Who was found as a baby/child and raised in said camps- by humans.

My argument is to get rid of delusional comments as to how the Horde are in fact good compared to the evil Alliance. Both sides have done bad stuff but the Horde wins out of sheer quality of stupidity in it’s actions.

Now you’re trying to escape by using “demon blood” for one Orc again. How about we learn something funny? If Thrall was not raised by humans he wouldn’t have had “human like” qualities when he took the Horde into a different direction after the end of Warcraft 3.

So much for being evil. Looks like the human tendency rubbed off on him and your faction actually got a little better

Ah, I see. So the problem isn’t the abhorrent behavior and treatment or the existence of these camps but the fact HE EXISTS- child or not, able to hurt a fly or not.

Do I need to prove what the face of evil looks like? Because it’s pretty clear at this point.

Bro your whole argument was based on “innocent orcs in horrible camps”. That is pretty clear as to what you’re attempting to do: Blindly agreeing to the Hivemind that is the Horde

You were just arguing with me over how many versions “of the horde” there are and now your “educating” me on what “the horde” is?

Now you are just talking out of your behind.

I’m not educating you about the Horde. You refuse to accept that your precious faction could do anything wrong while throwing dung on the other.

You’re hilariously making yourself look even more weird.

No. What is “weird”, is twisting the definition of “evil” constantly- so that it never applies to your faction.
Holding humans and preforming experiments on them> Evil
Holding orcs and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

You are a hypocrite and so is your faction. Real evil uses righteousness as a mask.

You really need to look up what Hypocrite means.

Holding innocent civilian humans and preforming experiments on them> Evil
Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

There nice and fixed for you.

Finalchaotic-hyjal · March 3, 2019, 6:50am

Lol. Ikr XD

Finalchaotic-hyjal · March 3, 2019, 6:52am

Nope. But keep telling yourself that.

A baby orc is a “genocidal orc who murdered millions of people on Azeroth”.

Dalfurane-frostmourne · March 3, 2019, 6:53am

Yeah I at least know what to tell myself:

That putting them in camps instead of killing them is not evil. Evil is not the definition of what happened. You seem to be lost for words.

And you seem to have lost your so called facts that you wanted to throw out indicating the Alliance are evil for subjugating the murderers instead of killing them.

Edit:Nice ninja edit you did there to attempt to make your post look good

Finalchaotic-hyjal · March 3, 2019, 6:54am

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

You really need to look up what Hypocrite means.

Holding innocent civilian humans and preforming experiments on them> Evil
Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

There nice and fixed for you.

Dalfurane:

Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

Finalchaotic:

Ah, I see. So the problem isn’t the abhorrent behavior and treatment or the existence of these camps but the fact HE EXISTS- child or not, able to hurt a fly or not.

Nope. But keep telling yourself that.

Yeah I at least know what to tell myself:

That putting them in camps instead of killing them is not evil. Evil is not the definition of what happened. You seem to be lost for words.

And you seem to have lost your so called facts that you wanted to throw out indicating the Alliance are evil for subjugating the murderers instead of killing them.

I have already rested my case. So I have nothing left to say.

Dalfurane-frostmourne · March 3, 2019, 6:56am

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

You really need to look up what Hypocrite means.

Holding innocent civilian humans and preforming experiments on them> Evil
Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

There nice and fixed for you.

Dalfurane:

Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

Finalchaotic:

Ah, I see. So the problem isn’t the abhorrent behavior and treatment or the existence of these camps but the fact HE EXISTS- child or not, able to hurt a fly or not.

Nope. But keep telling yourself that.

Yeah I at least know what to tell myself:

That putting them in camps instead of killing them is not evil. Evil is not the definition of what happened. You seem to be lost for words.

And you seem to have lost your so called facts that you wanted to throw out indicating the Alliance are evil for subjugating the murderers instead of killing them.

I have already rested my case. So I have nothing left to say.

Nope but yeah keep telling yourself that.

All you did was “rest” your case on the fact that you hilariously believe that the Alliance should have created a red carpet for the genocidal orcs all because you believe one baby orc was innocent.

Oh let’s forget the millions of humans being killed. Thrall for president baby!!!

Finalchaotic-hyjal · March 3, 2019, 6:57am

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

You really need to look up what Hypocrite means.

Holding innocent civilian humans and preforming experiments on them> Evil
Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

There nice and fixed for you.

Dalfurane:

Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

Finalchaotic:

Ah, I see. So the problem isn’t the abhorrent behavior and treatment or the existence of these camps but the fact HE EXISTS- child or not, able to hurt a fly or not.

Nope. But keep telling yourself that.

Yeah I at least know what to tell myself:

That putting them in camps instead of killing them is not evil. Evil is not the definition of what happened. You seem to be lost for words.

And you seem to have lost your so called facts that you wanted to throw out indicating the Alliance are evil for subjugating the murderers instead of killing them.

I have already rested my case. So I have nothing left to say.

Nope but yeah keep telling yourself that.

All you did was “rest” your case on the fact that you hilariously believe that the Alliance should have created a red carpet for the genocidal orcs all because you believe one baby orc was innocent.

Oh let’s forget the millions of humans being killed. Thrall for president baby!!!

I already proved that this isn’t about

But pure ignorance and hatred. That is evil and that isn’t for debate.
Unless you have an argument for how an infant did that or could do that. lol

Dalfurane-frostmourne · March 3, 2019, 6:58am

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

You really need to look up what Hypocrite means.

Holding innocent civilian humans and preforming experiments on them> Evil
Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

There nice and fixed for you.

Dalfurane:

Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

Finalchaotic:

Ah, I see. So the problem isn’t the abhorrent behavior and treatment or the existence of these camps but the fact HE EXISTS- child or not, able to hurt a fly or not.

Nope. But keep telling yourself that.

Yeah I at least know what to tell myself:

That putting them in camps instead of killing them is not evil. Evil is not the definition of what happened. You seem to be lost for words.

And you seem to have lost your so called facts that you wanted to throw out indicating the Alliance are evil for subjugating the murderers instead of killing them.

I have already rested my case. So I have nothing left to say.

Nope but yeah keep telling yourself that.

All you did was “rest” your case on the fact that you hilariously believe that the Alliance should have created a red carpet for the genocidal orcs all because you believe one baby orc was innocent.

Oh let’s forget the millions of humans being killed. Thrall for president baby!!!

I already proved that this isn’t about "

Finalchaotic:

Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth

But pure ignorance and hatred. That is evil and that isn’t for debate.

“I already proved that this isn’t about " But pure ignorance and hatred. That is evil and that isn’t for debate. Unless you have an argument for how an infant did that or could do that. lol”

I request you honestly. Can you make a ninja edit? Because that makes sense as much as a Basilisk trying to convince an orc to fall in love.

anon17465060 · March 3, 2019, 7:01am

We’re all angry. Horde and Alliance are evil. Except for Gnomes. Gnomes can’t be evil. Not even their cute little Warlocks.

Finalchaotic-hyjal · March 3, 2019, 7:01am

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

You really need to look up what Hypocrite means.

Holding innocent civilian humans and preforming experiments on them> Evil
Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

There nice and fixed for you.

Dalfurane:

Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

Finalchaotic:

Ah, I see. So the problem isn’t the abhorrent behavior and treatment or the existence of these camps but the fact HE EXISTS- child or not, able to hurt a fly or not.

Nope. But keep telling yourself that.

Yeah I at least know what to tell myself:

That putting them in camps instead of killing them is not evil. Evil is not the definition of what happened. You seem to be lost for words.

And you seem to have lost your so called facts that you wanted to throw out indicating the Alliance are evil for subjugating the murderers instead of killing them.

I have already rested my case. So I have nothing left to say.

Nope but yeah keep telling yourself that.

All you did was “rest” your case on the fact that you hilariously believe that the Alliance should have created a red carpet for the genocidal orcs all because you believe one baby orc was innocent.

Oh let’s forget the millions of humans being killed. Thrall for president baby!!!

I already proved that this isn’t about "

Finalchaotic:

Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth

But pure ignorance and hatred. That is evil and that isn’t for debate.

“I already proved that this isn’t about " But pure ignorance and hatred. That is evil and that isn’t for debate. Unless you have an argument for how an infant did that or could do that. lol”

I request you honestly. Can you make a ninja edit? Because that makes sense as much as a Basilisk trying to convince an orc to fall in love.

Convicting an infant orc that you found flowing down river, of something—
This is the stupidest thing I have EVER heard.

Airc-shattered-hand · March 3, 2019, 7:02am

No race was kicked out of the Alliance for being lesser, either. In fact, no race was kicked out of the Alliance at all, so that point seems… pointless.

The Alliance didn’t deal with a rebellion by starving anyone either. Maybe he’s trying to refer to the Defias, but it is revealed in the questline that there was a lot of supplies sent from Stormwind to help the people of Westfall (who weren’t even rebelling), but it was stolen by the newly forming Defias. Still, a very invalid point to try to make.

Maybe his comment about “(turning their) back on two allies after they got murdered and ransacked by a genocidal prince” is trying to refer to the Forsaken and the Blood Elves, except no one had their back turned on them. The Forsaken started off their “new existence” as murderers and oath breakers. They were never trustworthy to begin with, and the very few stories we have that the living rejected the Forsaken even though the Forsaken “tried” to be friendly are second hand at best, and usually involve the Forsaken saying “Yeah, I just want them dead.”

There were no “innocent orcs” enslaved in internment camps except maybe Thrall. The Orcs that were in the camps were an invading army, and it was the people of Stormwind who ran those camps. I mean, blaming Stormwind for those is like blaming the Blood Elves for the actions of the Naga. And the Goblins? I have no clue what he’s even trying to talk about. Maybe some bad dream he had?

But I do love that he’s trying to pass the blame for the actions of the Horde races, as if they have no control over themselves. Pathetic, really.

Dalfurane-frostmourne · March 3, 2019, 7:02am

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

Finalchaotic:

Dalfurane:

You really need to look up what Hypocrite means.

Holding innocent civilian humans and preforming experiments on them> Evil
Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

There nice and fixed for you.

Dalfurane:

Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth and starving them, forcing them to fight> Not Evil

Finalchaotic:

Ah, I see. So the problem isn’t the abhorrent behavior and treatment or the existence of these camps but the fact HE EXISTS- child or not, able to hurt a fly or not.

Nope. But keep telling yourself that.

Yeah I at least know what to tell myself:

That putting them in camps instead of killing them is not evil. Evil is not the definition of what happened. You seem to be lost for words.

And you seem to have lost your so called facts that you wanted to throw out indicating the Alliance are evil for subjugating the murderers instead of killing them.

I have already rested my case. So I have nothing left to say.

Nope but yeah keep telling yourself that.

All you did was “rest” your case on the fact that you hilariously believe that the Alliance should have created a red carpet for the genocidal orcs all because you believe one baby orc was innocent.

Oh let’s forget the millions of humans being killed. Thrall for president baby!!!

I already proved that this isn’t about "

Finalchaotic:

Holding genocidal orcs who murdered millions of people on Azeroth

But pure ignorance and hatred. That is evil and that isn’t for debate.

“I already proved that this isn’t about " But pure ignorance and hatred. That is evil and that isn’t for debate. Unless you have an argument for how an infant did that or could do that. lol”

I request you honestly. Can you make a ninja edit? Because that makes sense as much as a Basilisk trying to convince an orc to fall in love.

Convicting an infant orc that you found flowing down river, of something—
This is the stupidest thing I have EVER heard.

Oh whoa there whoa there.

Time out.

“Convicting an infant orc that you found flowing down river, of something—
This is the stupidest thing I have EVER heard.”

Wait what? I asked you to clarify your post and edit it for a description which makes sense and you go on a random aggressive streak on a argument which you never spoke about?

Yeah. Thanks.

Fairlight-emerald-dream · March 3, 2019, 7:04am

Smashing Pumpkin’s Disarm plays softly in the background; reaches crescendo; Jaq cries; fade to black

Fin

Dalfurane-frostmourne · March 3, 2019, 7:05am

Didn’t you know friend?

One evil human (Garithos) = OMG PROOF Alliance is evil.

One good baby orc (Thrall) = OMG PROOF that Horde is always innocent

One evil orc (Garrosh) = NOT Proof that Horde are evil. Learn to not paint a faction by ONE random orc.

Finalchaotic-hyjal · March 3, 2019, 7:05am

Airc:

Finalchaotic:

What’s wrong about them? Point out some examples. I’ll wait.

No race was kicked out of the Alliance for being lesser, either. In fact, no race was kicked out of the Alliance at all, so that point seems… pointless.

The Alliance didn’t deal with a rebellion by starving anyone either. Maybe he’s trying to refer to the Defias, but it is revealed in the questline that there was a lot of supplies sent from Stormwind to help the people of Westfall (who weren’t even rebelling), but it was stolen by the newly forming Defias. Still, a very invalid point to try to make.

Maybe his comment about “(turning their) back on two allies after they got murdered and ransacked by a genocidal prince” is trying to refer to the Forsaken and the Blood Elves, except no one had their back turned on them. The Forsaken started off their “new existence” as murderers and oath breakers. They were never trustworthy to begin with, and the very few stories we have that the living rejected the Forsaken even though the Forsaken “tried” to be friendly are second hand at best, and usually involve the Forsaken saying “Yeah, I just want them dead.”

There were no “innocent orcs” enslaved in internment camps except maybe Thrall. The Orcs that were in the camps were an invading army, and it was the people of Stormwind who ran those camps. I mean, blaming Stormwind for those is like blaming the Blood Elves for the actions of the Naga. And the Goblins? I have no clue what he’s even trying to talk about. Maybe some bad dream he had?

But I do love that he’s trying to pass the blame for the actions of the Horde races, as if they have no control over themselves. Pathetic, really.

“Sigh” hypocrites everywhere. Can you all have a single coherent thought?

Okay, fair enough. So why are those same elves blamed for reacting to Garithos’ racism? You can blame the blood elves (high elves) but we can’t blame SW for orc camps?

LOL!

Waah why did the high elves leave the alliance over ONE man!
Has orc camps> Yeah and your gonna like it too!

Your post was invalid at that point. “Shrug”

Fairlight-emerald-dream · March 3, 2019, 7:05am

And wowza - that quoting singularity just north of me! Phew. Thought I was gunna get spaghettified

Airc-shattered-hand · March 3, 2019, 7:09am

I’m sorry that the forums don’t have crayons to help me explain it in a way you can understand.

Finalchaotic-hyjal · March 3, 2019, 7:10am

True. It’s normally hard to explain hypocritical thinking, which intends to erase any responsibility for one’s actions.

Dalfurane-frostmourne · March 3, 2019, 7:10am

I tried to tell him in a more polite way but you can see how he laughed in my face with a random thing.