How is she a Mary sue when she’s constantly catching Ls… even in Warcraft 3 she was losing… you know whos always had dubs despite the stupid things they’ve done.
Anduin Wrynn
Malfurion
Magni
Geblin Mekkatorque.
Pretty much all the alliance vanilla leaders have never caught an L while all the vanilla Horde leaders are now dead or hit with the villain bat.
Tyrande got her first L and she’s literally going off the rails because she so used to winning
She is Mary Sue’s mother.
Sylvanas isn’t a Mary Sue because she alway wins or never loses. Sylvanas is a mary Sue because she is a character that is shamelessly self-inserted, fawned over by the canon characters AND developers, poorly developed, without flaws, and/or stupidly overpowered who gets her powers without any satisfying explanation, who the story focuses on at the expense of the other regular main characters.
The Alliance doesn’t really win as much as our leaders just idiotically stumble around and things just sort of work out most of the time.
Yes we are aware of our Priest/Paladin wanna-be hybrid that literally uses mass resurrection during the invasion of Undercity.
'Kay, how is he Mary Sue?
Eh. I’ll give ya’ this one.
I honestly don’t think Mekkatorque is mary sue.
Got memed hard and tons of hate during Legion, only recovered some of his Lore awesomeness in 8.1.
Was fridges from Cata all the way to now and is also a huge meme now. Wounds. Set dwarf lore back, thanks I hate it.
Was lore irrelevant since…(checks notes) always, and showed up to almost die heroically.
Cool. Try again.
Literally who? Nathanos? That’s it.
She’s got a lot of flaws. That’s why she’s the villain.
She’s… the villain.
You literally looked up the definition for Mary Sue and just typed Sylvanas in here and there.
All the Windrunner sisters are Mary Sues.
Literally none of this is true.
Who is self interest Sylvanas… Christie Goldin literally writes her evil af.
People enjoy her character cause she’s enjoyable.
Calling her overpowered when she’s died to the most silliest things.
Literally im truly convinced the only people that hate Sylvanas are human and night elf players and them playing those two races just show how bland and vanilla they are… if they were to write the story everyone would be slaves to Turalyon who would be a knight in shining armor with gold hair and blue eyes
I don’t know honestly about this part… I agree with ya’ people are upset easily about her due to the whole. “Let me burn down Darnassus.” bit. Honestly? The Kaldorei Faction Leader (too lazy) after becoming a literal Night Warrior (ancient literal god of war pretty much). Is more Mary Sue than Sylvanas.
That is my opinion though.
Sylvanus apology thread #4458. I bet she smells like butt, or worse. When you become undead you aren’t immune to smelling like something so foul only azzanos buttcaller actually likes you.
He was literally privately taught by a demigod.
He literally got promoted to king of all gnomes for simply getting unthawed.
I don’t play undead or blood elves.
Sylvanas has always been entertaining when she’s in the spotlight
Humans generally don’t accept Undead and Night Elves had their continent destroyed by Undead Elf so they kinda have justification to be upset.
Well to be fair this game isn’t exactly lacking in the whole Fantasy aspect.
We have a literal sword that when logically compared to Azeroth? Errrr, Azeroth should of died a looong time ago. Last expansion actually during Legion. We also have the whole Titan and Old God thing, then we also have The Emerald Dream and Nightmare corruption…
Alright, how, how about this? I loathe Sylvanas because her goals and motivations are EXTREMELY vague. She’s committed atrocities, sent million of people straight to hell, betrayed her allies, started multiple wars, allied with the Jailer all too… what? Never die? Is that it? Does she have one ulterior motive? Kerrigan 2.0? I just don’t see it.
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Ahoy there!
Well then you might even be in the majority. Personally I preferred the monochrome night elf to what she eventually became, but that’s just me.
Anduin was a child for the first half of the games life… he’s still barely an adult now and constantly makes bad decisions… his advisors and other members of the alliance continually have to correct his mistakes before they become problems…
Malfurion has hardly even done anything… he slept until Cataclysm… Then after he finally woke up he just kinda sat around and watched the world burn… he’s actually proven more of a liability than a boon in all honesty…
Magni… was thought to be dead for the longest time… became the speaker of the world when he was crystallized… and hasn’t done anything since other than investigate Azerite and tend to Azeroth’s wound…
Geblin Mekkatorque hasn’t had a single win his entire career… he lost Gnomergan to an usurper… he ran a failed assault to reclaim the city… twice… he has been of no real help in any major events he was a part of… and he went and got himself damn near killed in recent events and had to be saved by mechagnomes.
Wonderful choice of alliance leaders you picked there… one of whom actually claims neutrality I might add…
I think the “gary/mary sue” thing gets thrown around incorrectly a lot. Being competent or a decent person doesn’t make you one. Sylvanas is full of issues, shown by her terrible personality, and has been beaten in battle a bunch of times too. Far from perfect. Nor are the Alliance leaders.
Yes she’s stronger now, but there’s a complete reason for it through the Jailer. She’s supposed to be super strong and we’re meant to be left figuring out the mystery of how and why because that’s how stories work. Mysteries and questions are normal, answers come later.