Sylvanas is Arthas 2.0. I can’t believe we’ve gone this far into the expansion with so many people still not realizing that. The War of the Thorns parallels Arthas’s invasion of Quel’Thalas in so many ways, and now the most recent cinematic is almost an exact recreation of the Wrathgate. The Horde/Alliance army at the gate, the shot from behind Sylvanas as the gates open, and of course the line “Let it be finished” are only a few examples.
This isn’t even something exclusive to BfA. Even as far back in Cataclysm it was obvious that Sylvanas was becoming an Arthas 2.0. Garrosh himself pointed it out. She starts raising the corpses of her enemies as new Forsaken, and Garrosh asks, “What is the difference between you and the Lich King?” This has just become even more obvious in BfA as she attempts to force her will upon the Forsaken and make them her slaves (just look at Derek).
So stop with the “Garrosh 2.0” and “Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0” comments. Sylvanas is Arthas 2.0 and the newest cinematic is Wrathgate 2.0, and this is something that has been building up for a while now. If you can’t see that by this point, I honestly don’t know what to tell you.
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Arthas was cooler though.
Aren’t the “becoming what you despise” type storylines a bit overdone?
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She’s Garrosh 2.0 but somehow more underwhelming
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I definitely prefer Arthas over Sylvanas. But the fact that everyone is ignoring the OBVIOUS parallels between the two of them and just going “herr durr, Garrosh 2.0” is really grinding my gears.
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There are plenty of other cherries to pick.
For example, the Lich King was never the leader of a playable faction in WoW, and the Wrathgate/ICC was not the capital of a playable faction in WoW.
In terms of impact on the Horde, losing Sylvanas is a lot more like losing Garrosh than it is losing a character who never had anything to do with them.
The fact that you would get so upset over this that you felt the need to come here and portray people who see the parallels with Garrosh as retards is like, what the heck is wrong with you, dude?
That’s just because of the crazed warchief parallels.
Sylvanas’ story would have been better done had they never made her warchief, I think. There are other ways they could have gone about it better.
Especially if the end result is her taking over the scourge–which remains to be seen.
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You are making a lot of assumptions about me there pal. I don’t have any problem with people “seeing parallels with Garrosh”. My issue is that people are focusing on the honestly incredibly shallow parallels between her and Garrosh over the much deeper and more significant parallels between her and the Lich King.
Literally the only similarities between Sylvanas and Garrosh are that they were both Warchiefs who led the Horde to into an unprovoked war and murdered a bunch of people, and both of them resulted in the Alliance and Horde teaming up to stop them. And guess what? Newsflash, literally EVERY Warchief of the Horde besides Thrall and Vol’jin led the Horde into an unprovoked war and murdered a bunch of people, and EVERY big bad guy since Warcraft 3 resulted in the Alliance and Horde teaming up to stop them.
It’s painful how few people are able to actually analyze anything and go for the most shallow comparisons possible.
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I mean we’re 10 years on from Sylvanas deciding the Forsaken were nothing more to her than a bulwark against the oblivion of death and we’ve still got people insisting she genuinely cares about them.
We’re 10 years on from her going full evil and people are still claiming its a sudden twist of her character to be evil.
Blizz can beat people over the head with this as much as they want but they wont pay attention.
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He was true morally grey character
Does that mean we can directly compare BfA to WotLK now? Coz this is the worst LK expansion ever.
The only reason Blizz is getting away with the “Sylvanas isn’t Garrosh” lie is because Sylvanas won’t be killed in the end. Which isn’t what players meant when they were saying the story is a lazy MoP rehash.
True, Garrosh couldn’t fly.
It’s time for us to go to Alternate Azeroth and bring back our boy Arthas for Sylvanas, old gods n all. He will deal with them all
A lot? I made none. My observation is based exactly on what you wrote, and your obvious contempt for people who don’t see things your way:
Why can’t you just be excited about sharing your thoughts instead of taking a dump on other people?
Varok dying very similarly to his son is an awesome parallel with the Wrathgate.
I’m not just “taking a dump on other people”. People repeatedly use the “Garrosh 2.0” argument as the main point in their arguments to claim that the story of BfA is garbage, when BfA actually has some of the best storytelling Blizz has done in years. Literally every time someone mentions “Garrosh 2.0” it is part of a rant about how terrible BfA is.
The fact is at people are insulting a story that they don’t even understand. My issue isn’t that people can see similarities between Garrosh and Sylvanas. I can see the similarities between them too (many of which just so happen to also be shared by Blackhand, Orgrim Doomhammer, and Ner’zhul). My issue is that people are using an incredibly shallow comparison to claim that a story that Blizz has been building up to for a decade now is terrible garbage storytelling.
You’re on the right track, I think. But I would consider her more on the path of Ner’zhul than Arthas and the more that I ponder on it, we’ll see either Sargeras freed or Argus revived by the flash of light we’d seen in the opener of 8.2.
Why? Because Ner’zhul and Sylvanas almost have the same track record i. The last two expansions. Ner’zhul didn’t necessarily want to be the learder, but was “appointed,” and the people loved him. I’m curious of the pillara of creation and the artifacts used to open the portals in Outland before the shattering share a symbolism. When Kil’jaeden had “created” the Lich King, he basically said to Ner’zhul what Sylvanas said aloud. I’m only half foot in on the lore, so I’m not a great source.
The part that I’m stuck at is N’zoth’s and Xal’atath’s parts in the expansion. We can justify Sylvanas easily enough. She’s drawn out the Night Warrior, Bwonsamdi, Bolvar, Eiyr, some real heavy hitters. I’m assuming the Light in Anduin will be manifest in a great way soon. But the monologue between the Old Gods ia what throws me off, from what we know.
“The six,” could be just about anything and we know the end is near. The Council of Six? Somehow related to the Hour of Twilight? The Old Gods and one we have yet to meet? I was listening to Pyromancer’s take on the 8.2.5 cinematic. I really think he has a good point, though it isn’t how he worded it, that We could potentially be looking at the 6 pantheon and Argus the Unmaker to consume them all.
The attempts to parallel with Arthas are there, but she is still absolutely just Garrosh again, but even more stupidly handled and contrived. The horde should not have gone along with this again. If her plot armor was any less thick, after Teldrassil she would’ve been 6v1’d by the other horde leaders.
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The Horde has been following terrible Warchiefs since its inception. Thrall and Vol’jin were the exception, not the rule.
Sylvanas is in service to Death.
With The Legion defeated, the cosmic force of Disorder has been thrown off the playing field.
This has upset the balance of things, Light, Death and Void are getting stronger and moving against one another.
Metzen said it years ago. Azeroth, The Horde and Alliance are nothing to the cosmic war that rages on in the great dark. Sylvanas knows this.
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Don’t forget:
Losing Night Elves is a much bigger loss than losing those other elves.
Night Elves aren’t just a skinny human model for evil Barbie wannabes