“Where is the enemy base?”
“Dantooine”
“Alright, let’s destroy Alderaan. It’s right here, and the rebel leader is obviously lying.”
“Noooo, not peaceful Aderaan. They’ve got no weapons.”
“You mean, they don’t anymore” BOOM
Yeah, I’d trust someone just like that.
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She didn’t say there were no combatants.
“only innocents remain in the tree”
Pretty sure she wouldn’t call soldiers innocent.
“The plague is equivalent to arrows”
Yeah, okay. Didn’t know volleys of arrows kill immediately on direct contact and can spread through entire keeps in a matter of seconds. Oh, and can make areas uninhabitable for an unknown period of time.
I’m pretty sure that there’s simply not a lack of soldiers there.
Do you and Nathanos ever fight over which boot you get to lick, or do you get the left and he gets the right?
Oooh, do tell me what page it was. Literally, tell me, it’s be a question I’ve wanted to know the answer to for ages.
I’ve insulted nobody in this thread, don’t stoop this low please.
I’m saying that you’re claim that her yelling “FOR THE HORDE” was motivated purely by Horde Patriotism and not a Pragmatic Attempt at False Patriotism to rally her faltering army is inherently out of character for her while the latter option is perfectly in-character for her.
And she was going to abandon them after Arthas died. Only the fear of what was waiting for her afterwards changed her mind.
I have. Many times. Warcraft III isn’t exactly new. I imagine one of two things happening:
- He rules as a Regent, hated by most of his allies, until either a Menethil or a relative of a Menethil comes to take the Throne…which I actually think he’d give.
- Kel’thuzad happens. The Forsaken, if they survive any immediate reprisal (Garithos DID give Sylvanas and the Forsaken the opportunity to walk away until she betrayed him), are systematically hunted down by either Garithos’s forces and the Scourge. Sylvanas is possibly killed and revived once again…as a Servant of the Lich King. Varimathras is like “Peace, I’m out”. The Scourge, in Kel’thuzad’s much more capable hands (compared to the Dreadlords, who were described as running it into the ground) retakes the capital, kills Garithos and things proceed as normal…except that the Blood Elves don’t join the Horde (cause the Undead never joined the Horde to recommend them in the first place)…the Amani Trolls do.
I’m just being catty. Don’t take me seriously.
She would have lied to Baine or Saurfang at literally any time, then.
People can think a lot of things in a lifechanging moment. Surely, another leader would have been as equally capable. Nathanos is competent.
Still, it was an equal claim until Garithos fell. Then, it was hers.
Sorry then, hard to concentrate.
This post is bait.
None which could really hold back the horde, most of the available soldiers were fighting in darkshore - only a limited amount of soldiers were left in darnassus to evacuate people.
Unless you seriously believe the entire night elf army was hiding in the tree, you cant be THAT hardheaded.
Also - heres a video of another video game war crime that seems to fit this argument right now. THAT is what you are defending. CHILDREN DIED. BURNED ALIVE, YOU ARE DEFENDING A CHILD KILLER.
EDIT: Warning graphic content, yadayada
smart move. You missed a bit about how the night elves built up an area to be a threat to the horde.
When, you know, they have lived there since forever long before there was a horde. Tauren were there ofc. Not horde. Just tauren. Would not even know wtf an orc was actually at that point.
Orcs, still slaves to the legion somewhere else in the universe.
And the dark lady was just a lady. A high elf lady…Living west side and High elves and Night elves seltted their business long ago. High went arcane, night went country elf.
That’s not even really morally grey. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices. The soldiers who went on that mission knew what they were getting into. They knew they weren’t coming home. Their leaders never tried to whitewash the situation, they made it clear they’d probably die on the mission.
It’s tragic, but not exactly morally grey. It’s more a matter of “hard unpleasant decisions made during war time.”
First mention appears to be second paragraph, on page 39.
Then second to last paragraph (the big one) on bottom of page 71.
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I mean, it is the last line of defense.
This is an inappropriate comparison, as the man in question as far as I know truly believed he was targeting something else, and after seeing the results regretted it deeply. Teldrassil is a military target, and an advantage to the Alliance for them to use whenever they wish. I truly wished no citizens were in the tree, but the Alliance apparently didn’t dedicate enough time or resources. I also wish the tree was simply conquered, but scorched earth for a hard to reinforce spot is applicable.
Ok, I’m gonna shoot this down right now. Garithos = From Lordaeron. Sylvans = From Quel’thalas =/= Lordaeron. Garithos had a SUPERIOR legitimate claim. Then Sylvanas betrayed him.
Doesn’t change the fact that she actually jumped off Icecrown. Until she got a taste of what awaited her…she stopped caring about “her” people. And then she only cared insofar as “I don’t want to endure Eternal Torment. Go fight and die so I don’t have to.”
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Yeah, he thought he was targeting a military target, while Sylvanas knew nothing but innocents were in the tree, she has won it and only needed to claim it. A small skirmish compared to Darkshore really.
You say they are nothing alike and i agree - he didnt know, while she did know.
In order to use them as tools for her personal revenge. As soon as Arthas was dead, she chucked herself off of Icecrown and only came back because she didn’t like the Hell she was in.
He was punished for not being Sylvanas’ willing slave, and anything else is just an excuse.
She wouldn’t have cared if it had. She hates her former people, and is envious of them still being alive.
Wrong. There were many other ways she could have gotten aid. Instead, she opted for threats and willing to allow the Scourge to destroy Quel’thalas through her pulling out her own troops.
They did no such thing. One or two of them did, but you can’t blame entire groups for the crimes of individuals. Collective punishments are evil, and the tool of tyrants and despots. She killed all of the ones that were loyal to her, as well, out of sheer paranoia and power mongering.
You didn’t seem to understand what I was referring to. I wasn’t talking about Val’kyr. Sylvanas had the Forsaken throw away their last names, and burn any and all history on Lordaeron they had, or turn it in for burning, in order to turn Lordaeron into an undead version of Soviet Russia. That’s brainwashing.