Sylvanas is... inconsistent

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Lets look at what is known, then draw some conclusions.

1- Her #1 motivation up until the end of Wrath was revenge on the lich king. After his death, and her following suicide she went to “hell” and 9 Scourge Valkyre were very motivated for themselves, and Sylvanas to not be stuck there and made a bargain to get them out with Sylvanas’ end of the bargain unknown

2- Another death in Silverpine cost 3 more Scourge Valkyre to raise her in MoP.

3- Legion happened, she’s promoted to Warchief, we see her for a bit making another bargain with Helya while Sylvanas’ end of the bargain is unkown, then again in Stormheim trying to enslave Eyir only to be stopped by Greymane. Helya is dead, and Syvlanas may no longer bound by that contract.

4- The 3 sisters webcomic was released, Sylvanas is genuinely pissed at her sister for willingly siding with the void. Alleria’s void voice in her head is sofa king scared of Sylvanas it urges her to murder her on the spot.

5- BfA launch. Sylvanas master plan is a bloody nose tactic, up until burning the world tree it made strategic sense, burning the tree was a significant turning point for the character, if not out of character but can be explained later below

6- The recent “she ordered wrathgate” revelation was very surprising to the point that it doesn’t add up, and here’s why…

It makes very little sense for Sylvanas to have ordered the wrathgate with the current timeline. It was a staged coup by Varimathras. She was not bound by any known contracts. It seems very unlikely a whole plot arc would be devoted to that only to do Battle for Undercity immediately after. It seems like a high risk plan of kicking out Varimathras(which did need to be done), where as she could have just asked the horde to do it for free anytime since day 1 up until that point. Dreadlords can not really die, are full of cunning, deceit, and they may be pulling some strings somewhere.

The thing at the top of the list in the Void afraid of Sylvanas would be Balnazaar, and or Varimathras. Whatever it is or isn’t clearly wants Sylvanas dead, which draws another conclusion. She is clearly not working on behalf of the Light which may have been part of the bargain struck by the Valkrye at the end of Wrath in point #1 above. The more this point goes on, the less sense it makes

Part of that bargain could be(get me souls, but wait 3 expansions) burn the world tree because contract or its back to hell which can kinda sorta explain point #5, its a feeble explanation at that.

If she really is off the rails crazy, then its inconsistent with the rest of her character history within the current timeline

Grab a tinfoil hat for this one below
Or this is some really effed up social experiment to make us realize that just because we get attached to characters does not mean they are making anything great again and need to be removed from power immediately before they stray further from their founding core values. We need to come to terms with this right quick before its over.
I really don’t think they would involve tinfoil hat stuff into this game with such a divided audience, but the dividing the people similarities are there, minus the tree burning.

Thoughts?

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That does make sense about the Wrathgate, but whats her motivation now?

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the wrathgate was putriss, sylvanas was all about killing arthas, I mean I guess you could say it was her too but that was all the alchemists union of the undeads.

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Exactly this. Putriss was the one who staged a coup while Sylvanas was away from Undercity, and Varimathras was “in on it” with her. Putriss ordered the Forsaken to assault and use the plague at the Wrathgate. It had nothing to do with Sylvanas. She was undeniably pissed when she found out that this transpired.

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It’s called “the Royal Apothecary Society”, aside from her Royal Dreadguard, the only Forsaken organization to carry a royal warrant.

Now, maybe in the States we lose sight of this, because we can apply any adjectives we like to a business or organization. But in an actual monarchy, any institution that claims “royal” approval or service is in big trouble unless it in fact has royal approval.

The entrance to the royal quarter of the Undercity is in the center of the Apothecarium.

The game has never tried to hide that the entire Blight program is in fact Sylvanas’ pet project and always has been. They aren’t even being sneaky about this. The player is meant to suspect.

It’s not a retcon. Sylvanas knew that the Blight, in Putress’ keeping, would be used. She intended it, and to maintain just enough room to blame others to keep her throne.

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The Blight is Sylvanas’ project, yes, but you have no idea what a coup is, do you?

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Excuse me? Yes, I know what a coup is. No need to be ugly.

Sylvanas also could easily have expected Varmithras to take an opening she left for him to betray her, that being his nature, and she being, among other things, and experienced strategist.

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Sylvanas ordered the creation of the plague, and most likely it being brought to northrend, making her partly responsible for wrathgate, but ultimately it was putriss betraying her that caused it.

at least, that’s my take on “slyvanas is responsible for the wrathgate”

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Sylvanas ordered the wrathgate, Sylvanas knew about the little coup being planned. It was obvious that she held off doing something about the coup to see how well her plan to blight Arthas at the wrathgate went. If it went well as in she could kill or weaken Arthas, then the other horde leaders would probably wave away the collateral damage of the blighted horde soldiers. If it went badly, then she could let the coup take place and pass blame onto Putriss and the dreadlord. I mean no one would think twice about blaming a dreadlord for doing something underhanded, right??

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The writing team is just trying to make her character relevant to the storyline by retconning events which have already transpired more then 8 years ago and readdressing old events which transpired in WotLK in BFA because that’s when the game hit it’s peak.

They are focusing on Sylvanas because they haven’t actually done anything major with her character yet since then. Instead she’s just been window decor for the horde playerbase for years now.

They haven’t been focusing on the stuff which transpired in Legion, like what happened to the orders? Why aren’t we imbuing the powers from the Azerite into our Artifact Weapons instead? or why did most of the Horde follow Sylvanas’s orders to burn down teldrassil? Because these aren’t relevant to the plot they have in mind.

BFA is just another Horde Warchief going rabid with power and Horde ending up split against itself, again. It’s going to end with Saurfang as Warchief in the end. Meanwhile the Blue’s get to trash on the Alliance even more so by allowing the Horde to get away with genocide to enslavement under the guise of it being war. Just watch how they impower Night Elves only to downplay everything by having Sylvanas’s dog be given this massive power boost from a mere val’kry that can rival Elune’s Night Warrior.

This whole plotline in BFA is what I like to call “stretching” as a writer and personally here speaking, any writer that stretches this far to this degree is worth the harshest of criticisms in my book. Blizzard is able to get away with it because they have a diehard cult of worshipers who’ll defend and justify nearly everything they do.

Like this channel for example:

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Do you know what a rouse is? Thrall even implied that the coup was staged by Sylvanas at the beginning of the Siege of Undercity event. But she denied it and without proof Thrall let it mostly go, but he did install Korkron as guards in Undercity afterwards.

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Blizzard can’t write a villain that isn’t either corrupted or pure evil. When they try you get weird out of sync characters like jaina,garrosh,and sly.

Their motives and characters change to fit the plot rather then react to the plot.

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wait I though Hellscream did that to control her. man back to books.

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This is actually 100% consistent with the fact that her actual plan, according to her own thoughts in the novel, and thus not just her lying, was always to sack Stormwind, slaughter its citizens, and raise them as Forsaken.

Anyone who believed her when she said her goal was to capture the tree and use it to enforce peace was tricked.

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don’t read the books or comics. It really messes up your view on game. Most of it does not make it game. You sit there and say. Daa what all time.

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What I’m confused on is her appearance. (Planning on cosplaying her). She has dark hair with white streaks according to the lore, then she has white hair, now she’s blonde according to the game. Which is it? Black? White streaks? Fully white? Blonde? I’ve heard brunette, like a dark muddy brown. What the faq? Am I missing something?

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Helya is alive.

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As a living, High Elf Ranger, she had golden-blonde hair.

Now it is more platinum - very nearly white.

Even in the original in-game model (built on a Night Elf frame) which hid her hair in a cowl, her eyebrows were white.

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Dude, I am sorry but corpse waifu was always evil.

/bye

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