Sylvanas isn't a Garrosh 2.0, Blizzard said, We're doing something completely new. Blizzard said,....YEAH RIGHT! Garrosh sent assassins to kill Vol'Jin but they fail to kill him and Vol'Jin sends you back to the Wachieft to lie and say Vol'Jin's dead while Vol'Jin goes off to find like minded people to take Garrosh down in MOP. fast forward to BFA and the same thing happens between Sylvanas and Saurfang. This is not interesting, this is lazy writing.
Now I'm no writer but honestly is just bad. I've been playing since Burning Crusade and have always played as a Blood Elf but I didn't let that stop me from looking up the lore to all of the races of Warcraft. I'll be the first to admit I'm a Sylvanas fan boy, because I loved her story. From her origins to becoming the Banshee Queen to her suicide at Icecrown and the vision she got of the Alliance wiping out the Forsaken and the threat that would pose to the Blood Elves. Then being brought back to life by the Val'kyr with a new purpose to insure that the Forsaken are not wiped out and that nothing will ever threaten Quel'Thalas again.
Then fast forward to Legion and Sylvanas saves the entire Horde and it's leaders. Oh but she's so evil. Sylvanas is so evil that she goes out of her way to help Varian Wrynn when his airship is attacked by a Infernal. Sylvanas is so evil because she raises fallen Horde to be undead yet she could have done that at the Broken Isle's when all of it's leaders and most of the Horde's soldiers where wounded or dying but instead she choose to save them all.
So now in Battle for Azeroth, Blizzard just decides that, oh well Sylvanas is going to be evil now. That Sylvanas is going to attack the Night Elves to take the World Tree so that she can use them as leverage to keep the Alliance at bay so the Horde will be the only ones with access to Silithus. Ok its a start but then because one Night Elf tells Sylvanas that she can't kill hope, that makes Sylvanas change her plans on the fly and decide to burn the World Tree down instead. Really...So Sylvanas has devolved to being so easy to trigger that all it took was the dying words of a Night Elf to make her says. "Meh forget taking the city, just burn it."
So Sylvanas has killed hundreds of innocents just like Garrosh did with his mana bomb and now Sylvanas sends assassins to kill Saurfang, just like Garrosh sent assassins to kill Vol'Jin….What's next Sylvanas going to be influenced by a Old God just like how Garrosh was?
Oh yeah that's right Sylvanas is getting a hold of Xal'atath, Blade of the Black Empire....yeah Sylvanas totally isn't a Garrosh 2.0...right Blizzard?
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This is what happens when you put wow writing in the mmo in maintenance mode....
Nothing more nothing less.....
At this point they might as well have surfang and the boy king get married and combine the horde and Alliance.........thru the marriage........
Nothing more nothing less.....
At this point they might as well have surfang and the boy king get married and combine the horde and Alliance.........thru the marriage........
Happens when you have terrible leadership and bad writers. Not sure this team is salvagable TBH.
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yeah my wife . I mean hates the writing in this game. She a avid book fan, does ton of short stories for magazines in spare time and enjoys good plots. She just cringes when she read the stuff done in game. Wait till next patch comes. I am getting pop corn ready for all the horde out cry coming and I will one of them.
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The "new" part is that it's now a female character and she's now hellbent on subjugating the world under her reign and if you disagree with her to much. You'll be getting the axe only to be turned into a brainwashed forsaken.11/08/2018 05:34 AMPosted by RyndurWe're doing something completely new
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11/08/2018 05:34 AMPosted by Ryndur
Oh yeah that's right Sylvanas is getting a hold of Xal'atath, Blade of the Black Empire....yeah Sylvanas totally isn't a Garrosh 2.0...right Blizzard?
oh you mean that blade that the priest character held and literally nothing happened to him? oh that blade that is suppoused to be empty by the time she gets hold of it? or that blade originated from a power aparently HATES undead?
11/08/2018 06:08 AMPosted by Federok11/08/2018 05:34 AMPosted by Ryndur
Oh yeah that's right Sylvanas is getting a hold of Xal'atath, Blade of the Black Empire....yeah Sylvanas totally isn't a Garrosh 2.0...right Blizzard?
oh you mean that blade that the priest character held and literally nothing happened to him? oh that blade that is suppoused to be empty by the time she gets hold of it? or that blade originated from a power aparently HATES undead?
Now you see the problem. Someone who devolving this whole story needs to be reassign
The only part of her that is Garrosh 2.0 is the insane level warchief (different type though) and obtaining a old god related superweapon, the rest was always Sylvanas and Garrosh was never that bad hell he was holding her back.
The difference is Garrosh sent Vol'jin on a mission and attempted to have him killed during the mission.
Saurfang attempted to kill the Warchief by allowing the Alliance to pass. The Horde attempted to break Saurfang out of prison, but he refused to go. Saurfang conspired with the Alliance and went to hide like a coward in a swamp. The Horde attempted to arrest Saurfang and he murder members of the Horde.
Saurfang attempted to kill the Warchief by allowing the Alliance to pass. The Horde attempted to break Saurfang out of prison, but he refused to go. Saurfang conspired with the Alliance and went to hide like a coward in a swamp. The Horde attempted to arrest Saurfang and he murder members of the Horde.
11/08/2018 06:16 AMPosted by KaathThe difference is Garrosh sent Vol'jin on a mission and attempted to have him killed during the mission.
Saurfang attempted to kill the Warchief by allowing the Alliance to pass. The Horde attempted to break Saurfang out of prison, but he refused to go. Saurfang conspired with the Alliance and went to hide like a coward in a swamp. The Horde attempted to arrest Saurfang and he murder members of the Horde.
I can't believe I'm about to defend Saurfang but...he didn't just allow the Alliance to pass. He stood his ground and fought. The only reason he is alive is because King Anduin sparred him.
She's gaining the only item that -may- stop or weaken a fully released old god like N'zoth though. This is going to factor into the conclusion of this xpac, and possibly set her up to confront the Shadowlands incursions that we've had so many hints of. It's staring you in the face:
Her lack (and hatred) of hope because she experienced death.
Helya's machinations.
Bwasambi's machinations... the hints of a death hierarchy.
Bolvar beginning to move about, his daughter coming to Anduin...
A dark entity that whispered to Vojin, and overwhelmed Odyn...
Her lack (and hatred) of hope because she experienced death.
Helya's machinations.
Bwasambi's machinations... the hints of a death hierarchy.
Bolvar beginning to move about, his daughter coming to Anduin...
A dark entity that whispered to Vojin, and overwhelmed Odyn...
I have no idea why anyone is shocked. It's well-documented that Blizzard knows only about three storylines and they just keep recycling them.
How many Corruption/Redemption arcs have we done now?
How many Corruption/Redemption arcs have we done now?
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I'm in a "Wait and See" mindset right now.
They gave me the Zandalari Paladins I wanted.
Sylvanas holding what is now Xal'atath's empty prison gives the potential of leading somewhere different than Garrosh 2.0
Mechagon looks fun and I approve of anything that gives Goblins more screen time.
But the moment they reveal 8.3 and it's the Horde forced to follow Saurfang in a rebellion against Sylvanas... I'm out. We did this crap in MOP already. Let the Horde actually have a stable government for more than an expansion again.
They gave me the Zandalari Paladins I wanted.
Sylvanas holding what is now Xal'atath's empty prison gives the potential of leading somewhere different than Garrosh 2.0
Mechagon looks fun and I approve of anything that gives Goblins more screen time.
But the moment they reveal 8.3 and it's the Horde forced to follow Saurfang in a rebellion against Sylvanas... I'm out. We did this crap in MOP already. Let the Horde actually have a stable government for more than an expansion again.
He's right though. As twisted as Garrosh's vision of the world was, everything he did was for the Horde, despite how narrow his view of what the Horde was. We know from the novellas and Before the Storm that Sylvanas is doing everything for herself and herself alone.11/08/2018 10:32 AMPosted by Flashelas11/08/2018 06:11 AMPosted by RelartGarrosh was never that bad
lol
He also never threatened a cosmic balance to the point that the Lich King and one of the most powerful loas said something needed to be done.
Started leveling one of my horde toons but I couldn't stand it. The way Sylvanas and her little butt buddy talk down to me makes me feel like less of a " champion ". Got tired of it fast. Zandalari treated my character with more respect than them.
11/08/2018 06:08 AMPosted by Federok11/08/2018 05:34 AMPosted by Ryndur
Oh yeah that's right Sylvanas is getting a hold of Xal'atath, Blade of the Black Empire....yeah Sylvanas totally isn't a Garrosh 2.0...right Blizzard?
oh you mean that blade that the priest character held and literally nothing happened to him? oh that blade that is suppoused to be empty by the time she gets hold of it? or that blade originated from a power aparently HATES undead?
Issue is Yog is supposedly waiting for 3 'torches' tell he's released from his seal
Lore wise, I think there is already 3 examples of 'torches' and Xala'tath isn't the weapon, but a soul in the weapon so the power being drained means little to her being dead.
Yog is also supposedly the one who sealed Xal into the dagger, so Sylvanas MIGHT not be 'controlled' by Yog, but might still release Yog just to try and kill him. Either way Yog is involved with all this, either minor, or the mastermind who knows.
Hey, does this mean Thrall is coming back next expansion to kill her??
The difference is Garrosh sent Vol'jin on a mission and attempted to have him killed during the mission.
1) Saurfang attempted to kill the Warchief by allowing the Alliance to pass.
2) The Horde attempted to break Saurfang out of prison, but he refused to go.
3) Saurfang conspired with the Alliance and went to hide like a coward in a swamp.
4) The Horde attempted to arrest Saurfang and he murder members of the Horde.
1) He was defeated, and unable to stop the Alliance because he had already been secured as a prisoner.
2) He refused to return with the rescuers, because doing so would mean serving Silvanas again.
3) With the freedom he was given, he took the opportunity to leave Stormwind, and conspired with no one; i.e., he didn't help the Alliance at all.
4) That one is an outright lie. They weren't there to arrest him, they were there to kill him...and the Dark Rangers he`murdered' (meaning, defended himself against), have NEVER been members of the Horde. They have always been Silvanas' personal goon squad.
It seems we will always be able to count on fans of the new Lichqueen for biased and revisionist history.
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[quote="207683611454"]Garrosh was never that bad
Oh really? History lesson. Things that Garrosh has done compared to Sylvanas.
Pre-Wrath of the Lich King:
Garrosh was a coward hidding in Nagrand until Thrall gave him a good talking to then he decided to grow a pair of balls.
Slyvanas was a the Banshee Queen who followed the Warchief Thrall and had her hands full with dealing with the Scarlett Crusade and helping the Blood Elves join the Horde.
Wrath of the Lich King:
All of the Horde agrees that the Lich King is a greater threat then they have ever faced before. At the mere mention of talking with the Alliance to face the Lich King together, Garrosh openly challanges Thrall for leadership of the Horde because since he grew a pair, now he wants to try and tell the Horde how it should be run. Instead of you know, dealing with the clear and present danger to the Horde and yeah the world.
Borean Tundra:
Garrosh orders that the Horde attack the Alliance at every possible moment even when advised not to do so by none other the High Overlord Saurfang himself!
Oh and he orders this while Warsong Hold is completely surrounded by the Scourge....instead of you know....dealing with the clear and present danger thats right outside the front door. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Howling Fjord:
Sylvanas takes care of the Alliance that are currently attacking the Forsaken in Vengence Landing but then moves on to actually FIGHT the clear and present danger of the Scourge and Scarlett Onslaught as she makes her way towards the Dragonblight.
DragonBlight: Wrathgate.
Sylvanas, the Horde, and Alliance are all betrayed by Foresaken traitors. Can't hold that against Sylvanas.
Icecrown:
Sylvanas after seeing there is a new Lich King and the added effect that she didn't get her revenge throws herself off of Icecrown and dies a second time. The Val'kyr bring her back after she sees a vision of Garrosh pushing the Foresaken at the Gilnean Wall until all the Foresaken are nearly wiped out leaving room for the Alliance to come up from the south and wipe out the Foresaken with nothing to stop them from marching on Quel'Thalas. So with that in mind Sylvanas makes her deal with the Val'kyr and leads the Foresaken against the Gilnean's at the orders of the new Warchief Garrosh.
Catacylsm:
Garrosh orders the Foresaken to take Gilneas for the Horde. Sylvanas follows that order but does it her way because she alread knows what happens if it is done Garrosh's way.
Oh but Sylvanas used the Blight when she was ordered not to. Yeah so what? The Gilneans were not going to surrender and the Blight was the only weapon that Sylvanas had left to drive the Gilneans out. In this case the ends do justify the means.
Mean while what is Garrosh doing? How about killing one of his own soldiers because he and his mean slaughtered a village, women and children included only to turn around and Mana Bomb Theramore Isle killing hundreds of innnocent men, women, and children that hadn't been able to flee the city yet.
Oh and lets not forget that during the Catacylsm that anytime your with Garrosh and the Alliance is nearby he orders the Horde to attack the Alliance instead of dealing with the clear and present danger of the Twilight cult or old god monsters.
Mist of Pandara:
Where to even begin....Garrosh should have never been Warchief. I mean really? Garrosh wasn't that bad....are you kidding me. He royally scewed the Horde and the Horde is still suffering from it. Let's see...The Tauren are just making a come back after they where nearly made killed off by the centars. The Darkspear Trolls have enough people to claim the southern tip of Durotar and the small Echo Islands as their home so yeah not a lot population wise. The Blood Elves are a endangered speices thanks to Arthas. The Forsaken are barely making a come back population wise. And Garrosh managed to turn all of them against his version of the Horde thus splitting the Orc population in half thus now after the Siege of Orgrimmar cut the orc population down heavily.
But Garrosh wasn't that bad...
Now Blizzard is basically doing the same thing with Sylvanas even after saying that she isn't a Garrosh 2.0 and before anyone asks, yes I've always hated Garrosh, he was a bad choice from the get go and worse he had potiental to be a great character with the whole Hellscream family name but it was wasted.
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