The absolute clowns in the writing room are really trying to squeeze a redemption story into Sylvanas’ already bloated and trope-packed arc. Just let her die with some dignity, and pick a character for her.
Is she the badass emo elf waifu, or is she just WRACKED WITH GUILT FOR THE WORLD? I’m so tired.
I’m tired of them trying to have their cake and eat it too with this character.
What do you want in your Sylvanas Redemption Goodie basket? Besides the usual sugary goodies?
That’s what happens when the lead writer loves her and sees her as his waifu. 
It’s so grossly obvious at this point. Even with them killing off his author insert. (Though I’m sure we’ll be seeing him again soon.)
Surprisingly enough, I could see Sylvanas starting to lose some of her cool at this point.
After seeing the Jailer so casually blow off Denathrius’ fate, someone who arguably did just as much if not more for the Jailer as Sylvanas and for far longer, I think even a brainwashed lackey like her could see the writing on the wall.
The Jailer doesn’t have friends, just tools. And not only is that now starkly illustrated right in front of her, he dismisses any objections she has and demands she do as he orders regarding Anduin.
Any power or influence she thinks she had before that point is shown to be just an illusion. There is no him and her with regards to the Jailer, there is only his will and her obedience to it.
So I could actually see her shell starting to crack in front of Anduin as she seemingly with regret presents him with a choice that is no choice at all.
When he questions her on how she doesn’t know if the Jailer is just using her as he’s used everyone else, she noticeably hesitates before quickly changing the subject which leads me to think she’s had the same thought after her own conversation with Zovaal.
She’s not wavering because talksujitsu, she’s wavering because her own confidence in the righteousness of her cause and her place within in was severely shaken by Zovaal’s casual indifference to Denathrius’ fate and view of him as an expendable tool which could just as easily be her.
Anduin may not have sensed it, but his objections inadvertently opened a chink in her armor due to her own hidden misgivings that were beginning to manifest.
Don’t forget how the devs painted the one blood elf magister who didn’t get over his friends being murdered in cold blood by Jainas thugs as in the wrong vs the morally pure Jaina.
It’s gross.
His actions in WC3 literally set the stage for the resource wars that kicked off Cata and pushed Garrosh over the edge lol.
This quote applies with magnificent accuracy regarding the writers
He´s a self insert, what did you expect Anya?
Yes they did. The orcs that Proudmore encountered were the ones that stood side by side at Mount Hyjal. He had the reports of the local commander of Alliance forces…his own daughter, yet he went on a tear that ravaged what forest was left in Durotar.
It’s on him that he would not let go of the Second War.
She wants him to make willingly the choice she was forced to make by Arthas. She’s looking to extirpirate the last traces of the Ranger General and she’s trying to use Anduin to accomplish that.
The whole Horde narrative in BfA comedy would love to have a word with you…
The writting only “condemned” Jaina in ToW regarding her acting propelled by histeria, nothing more. Actual gray writting would have involved characters close to her making her realize her city blew up thanks to her own stupid choices and her actual lack of commitment to actual neutrality, period.
This is part of the larger issue with having yet another faction conflict heavy expansion (this time even more directly named and advertised around it) with yet another evil Warchief the Horde has to civil war over. Loyalists to said evil Warchief get justified by much more serious grievances in the case of the BEs, which lead us to the awful Blood Elf story arc of being bad about getting ethnically cleansed and therefore supporting a genocidal leader leading a war that is just getting more of them killed for basically nothing. That paladin that died in the Terror of Darkshore cutscene is basically a repeat of Garrosh using races he did not respect as fodder.
I think blizzard is sexist because they are implying women cant make choices because sylvanas cant do something a man already did (arthas)
and if it isnt obvious…
/s
I’m not a big belf fan but I’d be kind of annoyed with the fact that blizzard wrote 2 new belf characters who basically just existed to be foils for the super pure and ethical alliance characters to talk down to despite both having legit grievances.
Well, sort of. Sylvanas didn’t respect any those under her. They were all meant to be fodder in Darkshore. As the only way any of her tactics make sense within that region is if they were meant to antagonize the NEs into opening up another meatgrinder of a Front for both sides. There is sort of an irony that even hardliners like Belmont and Feranell were essentially sent to that region to die.
Makes me wonder how a hypothetical fourth war would have went with a commander who was actually looking to win and not just meatgrinder both sides.
At least with Garrosh, he had disagreement with the other Horde leaders pretty quickly. Even in the northern barrens quests in Cata the Garrosh loyalist orc is supposed to be unpleasant. Lor’themar was apparently more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until it became clear Garrosh was becoming an egomaniac. The Sunreavers were even part of the Siege of Orgrimmar which is after the Purge.
I did not play WoW during the actual years of those expansions, but a lot of what I have read does suggest they put a lot more thought into what a Warchief on a dark path means for the Horde. I suspect it looks worse in hindsight because of BFA badly repeating it but also doing so in a far more damaging way. Saurfang talks about the Horde breaking apart when he recruits Thrall, but we don’t really see it besides the leaders being unhappy in conversations with the player.
i want us to get Arthas from the maw and make him into the new primus.
If we get Garrosh back into Azeroth I will say Shadowlands was a great expansion lorewise.
Garrosh had 2 full expansions to slowly show his fall. From the start of leveling in Cataclysm, his actions at 75, then all through MoP. It was long but consistent fall for the Warchief.
Sylvanas was turned into a villain sometime in the middle of Legion while they were hashing out BFA. As such you had a patch, a single patch, to establish she was going to be a villain.
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